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A New Feast
« on: March 05, 2018, 04:36:30 AM »
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  • Pope Francis has decreed that the ancient devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, under the title of Mother of the Church, be inserted into the Roman Calendar.
    The liturgical celebration, B. Mariæ Virginis, Ecclesiæ Matris, will be celebrated annually as a Memorial on the day after Pentecost.
    In a decree released on Saturday by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Cardinal Robert Sarah, its Prefect, said the Pope’s decision took account of the tradition surrounding the devotion to Mary as Mother of the Church.
    He said the Holy Father wishes to promote this devotion in order to “encourage the growth of the maternal sense of the Church in the pastors, religious and faithful, as well as a growth of genuine Marian piety”.

    http://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-03/pope-institutes-new-celebration-of-mary--mother-of-church.html


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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #1 on: March 05, 2018, 08:22:01 AM »
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  • What's the catch?


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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #2 on: March 05, 2018, 09:01:22 AM »
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  • What's the catch?
    The Holy Father wants us to honor the Blessed Virgin. 

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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #3 on: March 05, 2018, 09:03:28 AM »
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  • <<<<In Roman Catholic Mariology, Mother of the Church (in Latin Mater Ecclesiae) is a title, officially given to Mary during the Second Vatican Council by Pope Paul VI.[1] The title was first used in the 4th century by Saint Ambrose of Milan, as rediscovered by Hugo Rahner.[1][2] >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_the_Church
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    There is a Traditional Catechism book published in Germany some years ago that claims "Mary, Mother of the Church" is a heresy. Because the Catholic Church is our mother, being described as Holy Mother the Church or Holy Mother Church.
    The Ambrosian rediscoverer mentioned above is Hugo, brother of Karl Rahner.


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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #4 on: March 05, 2018, 11:30:16 PM »
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  • <<<<In Roman Catholic Mariology, Mother of the Church (in Latin Mater Ecclesiae) is a title, officially given to Mary during the Second Vatican Council by Pope Paul VI.[1] The title was first used in the 4th century by Saint Ambrose of Milan, as rediscovered by Hugo Rahner.[1][2] >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_of_the_Church
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    There is a Traditional Catechism book published in Germany some years ago that claims "Mary, Mother of the Church" is a heresy. Because the Catholic Church is our mother, being described as Holy Mother the Church or Holy Mother Church.
    The Ambrosian rediscoverer mentioned above is Hugo, brother of Karl Rahner.
    Was it a Lutheran catechism? when Jesus was on the Cross He entrusted his mother to John. This wasn't just for John's benefit but also for all of us. This made Mary the mother of all of us. If Mary is not your mother then Jesus is not your brother. If Mary is the mother of all of us then she is the mother of the Church.  


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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #5 on: March 06, 2018, 01:09:06 AM »
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  • Was it a Lutheran catechism? when Jesus was on the Cross He entrusted his mother to John. This wasn't just for John's benefit but also for all of us. This made Mary the mother of all of us. If Mary is not your mother then Jesus is not your brother. If Mary is the mother of all of us then she is the mother of the Church.  
    It isn't a Lutheran catechism but a Traditional  Roman Catholic one. Why was the Church referred to as our mother if the Blessed Virgin was already reckoned to hold that position?. I would have thought that the Church, if she be our mother, would also be the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    Anyway, here is something on that catechism I referred to:
    The Oratory Catechism and the Vatican II church
    Jun2 by Joseph Saraceno

    I have one used in mint condition.
    Hardbound, over 400 pages. Imported from Germany. This Catechism is put together by two Traditional Latin Rite Priests translated in English by Prof. Dr. W. Siebel.
     
    With 100 pages of questions and answers devoted to comparing the teachings of the Vatican II church with past teachings of the Catholic Church. Elucidates end time prophecies, and explains what it means to be a True Roman Catholic by clarifying the meaning of the “Great Apostasy.”
    $25.00      $7.00 postage  overseas $12.00     

    Some of the questions answered by the authors.

    # 666 Why the sacrifice of the Mass is not an Assembly?
    # 659 Why is the doctrine of a Hierarchy of Truths to be rejected?
    # 669 Why is the doctrine of Equal Rights to be rejected?
    # 770 How will the Catholic Church in the end times be recognizable?  
    # 733 Why the Church in the end times lack state protection

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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #7 on: March 06, 2018, 02:18:34 AM »
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  • It isn't a Lutheran catechism but a Traditional  Roman Catholic one. Why was the Church referred to as our mother if the Blessed Virgin was already reckoned to hold that position?. I would have thought that the Church, if she be our mother, would also be the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
    Anyway, here is something on that catechism I referred to:
    The Oratory Catechism and the Vatican II church
    Jun2 by Joseph Saraceno

    I have one used in mint condition.
    Hardbound, over 400 pages. Imported from Germany. This Catechism is put together by two Traditional Latin Rite Priests translated in English by Prof. Dr. W. Siebel.
     
    With 100 pages of questions and answers devoted to comparing the teachings of the Vatican II church with past teachings of the Catholic Church. Elucidates end time prophecies, and explains what it means to be a True Roman Catholic by clarifying the meaning of the “Great Apostasy.”
    $25.00      $7.00 postage  overseas $12.00    

    Some of the questions answered by the authors.

    # 666 Why the sacrifice of the Mass is not an Assembly?
    # 659 Why is the doctrine of a Hierarchy of Truths to be rejected?
    # 669 Why is the doctrine of Equal Rights to be rejected?
    # 770 How will the Catholic Church in the end times be recognizable?  
    # 733 Why the Church in the end times lack state protection

    Send to.
    Joseph B. D. Saraceno
    17024 S. Western Ave
    Spc-8
    Gardena, CA. 90247-5215         parousa20@yahoo.com
    This entry was posted in Current Events.
    The Immaculate Virgin, as the first and premier member of the Church has a special role within the Church. She is the Mother of God. She is the New Eve. If she were not our mother then we would be left as orphans in a field where wolves and bears would be able to eat us. When Jesus gave her to John he gave her to all of us. If the Holy Virgin were not our mother then neither would the Church be our mother.


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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #8 on: March 08, 2018, 02:14:08 AM »
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  • ‘Mother of the Church’ in tradition

     The decree reflects on the history of Marian theology in the Church’s liturgical tradition and the writings of the Church Fathers.
    It says Saint Augustine and Pope Saint Leo the Great both reflected on the Virgin Mary’s importance in the mystery of Christ.
    “In fact the former [St. Augustine] says that Mary is the mother of the members of Christ, because with charity she cooperated in the rebirth of the faithful into the Church, while the latter [St. Leo the Great] says that the birth of the Head is also the birth of the body, thus indicating that Mary is at once Mother of Christ, the Son of God, and mother of the members of his Mystical Body, which is the Church.”
    The decree says these reflections are a result of the “divine motherhood of Mary and from her intimate union in the work of the Redeemer”.
    Scripture, the decree says, depicts Mary at the foot of the Cross (cf. Jn 19:25). There she became the Mother of the Church when she “accepted her Son’s testament of love and welcomed all people in the person of the beloved disciple as sons and daughters to be reborn unto life eternal.”
    In 1964, the decree says, Pope Paul VI “declared the Blessed Virgin Mary as ‘Mother of the Church, that is to say of all Christian people, the faithful as well as the pastors, who call her the most loving Mother’ and established that ‘the Mother of God should be further honoured and invoked by the entire Christian people by this tenderest of titles’”.


    http://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2018-03/pope-institutes-new-celebration-of-mary--mother-of-church.html

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    Re: A New Feast
    « Reply #9 on: March 28, 2018, 04:53:34 AM »
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  • NOTIFICATION
     on the Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church

    Following the inscription of the Obligatory Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church into the Roman Calendar, which must already be celebrated by everyone this year on the Monday after Pentecost, it seemed opportune to offer the following directions.
    The rubric found in the Roman Missal after the formularies for the Mass of Pentecost, “Where the Monday or Tuesday after Pentecost are days on which the faithful are obliged or accustomed to attend Mass, the Mass of Pentecost Sunday may be repeated, or a Mass of the Holy Spirit, may be said” (Missale Romanum, p. 448), is still valid because it does not derogate precedence between liturgical days whose celebration are solely regulated by the Table of Liturgical Days (cf. Universal Norms on the Liturgical Year and the Calendar, n. 59). Likewise, precedence is regulated by the norms on Votive Masses: “Votive Masses are in principle forbidden on the days on which there occurs an Obligatory Memorial, on a weekday of Advent up to and including 16 December, on a weekday of Christmas Time from 2 January, or on a weekday of Easter Time after the Octave of Easter. However, for pastoral reasons, as determined by the rector of the church or the Priest Celebrant himself, an appropriately corresponding Votive Mass may be used in a celebration of Mass with the people” (Missale Romanum, p.1156; cf. General Instruction of the Roman Missal, n. 376).
    Nevertheless, all else being equal, the Obligatory Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church is to be preferred. The texts of the Memorial were attached to the Decree along with indications for the readings, which are to be held as proper because they illuminate the mystery of Spiritual Motherhood. In a future edition of the Ordo lectionum Missæ the rubric at n. 572 bis will expressly indicate that the readings are proper and, even though it is a Memorial, are to be adopted in place of the readings of the day, (cf. Lectionary, General Introduction, n. 83).
    In the case where this Memorial coincides with another Memorial the principles of the Universal Norms on the Liturgical Year and Calendar are to be followed (cf. Table of Liturgical Days, n. 60). Given that the Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church is linked to Pentecost, as the Memorial of the Immaculate Heart of the Blessed Virgin Mary is similarly linked to the celebration of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, then, in the case where it coincides with another Memorial of a Saint or Blessed, and following the liturgical tradition of pre-eminence amongst persons, the Memorial of the Blessed Virgin Mary is to prevail.
    From the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, 24 March 2018.

    http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2018/03/27/180327b.html