Author Topic: A mission to convert (Read 712 times)

Prodinoscopus · « **on:** June 13, 2009, 09:29:21 AM »

Time and again the leading men of the SSPX have said that they wish to convert Rome. In my estimation, that is a noble mission. Perhaps the desired success of that mission is the reason for the Society's stand against sedevacantism. If they do not acknowledge at least the juridical legitimacy of the Pope, they will never be given an opportunity to work in the "mission territory" that is modernist Rome.

What concrete steps are sedes taking to convert Rome? Any examples?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:33:27 AM »

I like to quote Pius X on this one.

From Pascendi Dominici Gregis:

Once indeed We had hopes of recalling them to a better sense, and to this end we first of all showed them kindness as Our children, then we treated them with severity, and at last We have had recourse, though with great reluctance, to public reproof. But you know, Venerable Brethren, how fruitless has been Our action. They bowed their head for a moment, but it was soon uplifted more arrogantly than ever. If it were a matter which concerned them alone, We might perhaps have overlooked it: but the security of the Catholic name is at stake. Wherefore, as to maintain it longer would be a crime, We must now break silence, in order to expose before the whole Church in their true colours those men who have assumed this bad disguise.

The fact of the matter is...

THEY ARE NOT CATHOLIC... destroying the Church from within.

DeMaistre · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2009, 12:27:54 PM »

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Time and again the leading men of the SSPX have said that they wish to convert Rome. In my estimation, that is a noble mission.

It is of course, very noble - futile, but noble.

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Perhaps the desired success of that mission is the reason for the Society's stand against sedevacantism. If they do not acknowledge at least the juridical legitimacy of the Pope, they will never be given an opportunity to work in the "mission territory" that is modernist Rome.

What I think is that the Society is afraid to condemn the Pope as an anti-pope because they are holding out to wait for him to bring them back in the Church so that they can start their counter-revolution. Its a very tight situation, if they denounce the pope as an anti-pope and then change their mind when/if he decides to bring them back fully, they'll lose all their credibility. If they don't though, they risk being slowly assimilated and eventually neutralized.

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What concrete steps are sedes taking to convert Rome? Any examples?

Most "sedes" believe that Rome is not only non-Catholic, but anti-Catholic. What we try to do is spread the word to our fellow Catholics in our own small circles, so as to avoid the detection of Big Brother.

The most effective weapon that any sede can employ is prayer, of course, for an end to this crisis.

trent13 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:07:19 PM »

Steps to convert Rome? It is the duty of Rome, the seat of the Church, to reprimand her errant children and to bring about a reform. As Demaistre said, the SSPX is in a tight situation and I can't see how it is okay to acknowledge the legitimacy of heresy, even nominally, in order to "convert" them. One can't use a bad means in order to attain a good end, even more so given that the good end is not necessarily attainable and the SSPX has to walk a very fine line in order to not outright support the papacy.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2009, 01:29:02 PM »

And when people choose the words "convert Rome" are you saying that Rome isn't Catholic? I am!