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Offline Gortan

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88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
« on: February 05, 2011, 01:14:05 PM »
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  • See June 19th, 1988 Video Link Below

    Then Fr. Khoat said, “Come with me right now. I have two tickets to go to America where there are people who will help you.”[/b]

    Pope Gregory XVII replied, “That would be impossible. I cannot go. They can kill me at anytime.”[/b]

    (Excerpt from the first conversation between Fr. Khoat and the Hostage Pope, Gregory XVII, in a tense brief private meeting at the Istituto Ravasco Convent in Rome on June 14th, 1988 A.D. Pope Gregory XVII instructed Fr. Khoat to come back later that night at a specified time, where they could possibly speak undetected.)


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    A very important point to keep in mind is that Fr. Khoat had made first contact with the hostage Pope Gregory XVII on June 14th, 1988. He brought in his trusted colleague Monsignor Carlo Taramasso that same day. Over the next days, others would be brought in too, to help the captive pontiff operate the true Vatican "underground".

    His Holiness' trusted servants would then go to various places around the world to help raise support for a military type rescue of the Hostage Pope. (In 2008 details about this tactical mission were hoped to be released, yet, were not, as it was learned people lives could be put at risk. The faithful need to support the One Church's Leaders).

    This video is from June 19th, 1988. You can see his masonic guard Msgr. Grone watching his every move.

    An outside viewer would see Cardinal Siri of Genoa (in union with John Paul II) meeting Italians and praying at a Vatican II altar.

    In reality, His Holiness must be elated inside, as he had just made lawful Cardinals who were given specific directives to help bring the triumph over evil.  Pope Gregory XVII is PRUDENTLY carrying on like a hostage.

    Traditional clergy and layman were contacted in Europe and America (including Ohio). The hostage Pope expired (was killed) on May 2, 1988.

    "The gates of Hell shall not prevail!"


    Brother John of the Cleft Rock (14th Century): "Towards the end of the world, tyrants and hostile mobs will rob the Church and the clergy of all their possessions and will afflict and martyr them. Those who heap the most abuse upon them will be held in high esteem.

    At that time, the Pope with his cardinals will have to flee Rome in tragic circumstances to a place where they will be unknown. The Pope will die a cruel death in his exile.The sufferings of the Church will be much greater than at any previous time in her history.

    But God will raise a holy Pope, and the Angels will rejoice. Enlightened by God, this man will rebuild almost the whole world through his holiness. He will lead everyone to the true Faith. Everywhere, the fear of God, virtue, and good morals will prevail. He will lead all erring sheep back to the fold, and there shall be one faith, one law, one rule of life, and one baptism on earth. All men will love each other and do good, and all quarrels and wars will cease."



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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 01:36:18 PM »
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  • Correction
    "The hostage Pope expired (was killed) on May 2, 1989."




    Offline SenzaDubbio

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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 11:46:22 AM »
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  • I've never seen anything proving this theory, although nothing proving that it's false. I've only seen evidence to support it.

    But to be fair, I have no idea what is being said in the video since I don't speak Italian. :)

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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 12:30:20 PM »
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  • I find the Siri thesis very credible, even extremely probable.  But the Father Khoat "underground Church" stuff just doesn't fly; there's less than zero proof that any of it is true.

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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 12:42:34 PM »
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  • I watched the video.  Doesn't Cardinal Siri LOOK like a real pope?  Unlike, say, J23, P6, JP2.

    What a dangerous maneuver though.  Helicopter takes off with Cardinal Siri standing right next to it.  Italians are nuts.


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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 01:28:22 PM »
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  • Dont bother watchingn that video. It is in italian and shows nothing about consecrating or anything. All i saw was a helicopter and a procession into a church.

    Offline RomanCatholic1953

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    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 09:45:47 PM »
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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 11:16:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    I find the Siri thesis very credible, even extremely probable.  But the Father Khoat "underground Church" stuff just doesn't fly; there's less than zero proof that any of it is true.


    The only thing credible is that he might have been elected, but might have resigned due to external pressures/force.

    After that it simply makes no sense, because even if that were true it solves nothing. The only thing you end up with, is a man who is "supposively" the true pope but still submits to anti-Popes. Even if he was validly elected this would mean that he is an anti-Pope because he subjugates himself to apostate anti-Popes which would make him a schismatic. This is true to a greater degree for him, because we are talking about a man who is clearly a card carrying theologian and a true Cardinal of the Roman Church. So the whole "ignorance" card won't work on him, so even assuming that the thesis is correct it ends no where, because even best case scenario you have a schismatic anti-pope in the end.

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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 01:42:46 PM »
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  • No, this doesn't solve anything at all (unless of course he actually did make secret cardinals LOL).  I still chuckle at the article the Houston group published in the Chronicle where the "camerlengo" was calling for all the secret cardinals to convene (like these cardinals would be subscribers of the Houston Chronicle).

    Unfortunately, groups like that make a mockery of the Siri hypothesis.

    What this DOES do however is to suggest how the 1958+ conclaves were canonically invalid and it lines up with the prophecy of St. Francis about the uncanonically elected pope.

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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #9 on: May 23, 2014, 01:45:11 PM »
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  • Sorry.  My mistake.  That was the Houston Post.

    http://www.CathInfo.com/conclave-1990-media.htm

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    88 Video of Gregory XVII Immediately After Creating Cardinals
    « Reply #10 on: May 23, 2014, 08:12:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Sorry.  My mistake.  That was the Houston Post.

    http://www.CathInfo.com/conclave-1990-media.htm


    I get an error message, page cannot be found.

    If you have a hard copy of that page, best to scan it.


     

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