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59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
« on: May 24, 2019, 05:41:04 PM »
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  • Just look at this paragraph!

    Majorities of Democrats (73 percent), voters ages 45 and over (63 percent), women (59 percent), Catholics (59 percent), and men (54 percent) all feel the case should be left alone.  Even pluralities of Republicans (43 percent stand vs. 37 percent overturn) and Protestants (49-29 percent) would let the ruling stand.


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    Fox News Poll: Voters split on abortion, but majority wants Roe v. Wade to endure
    By Victoria Balara | Fox News

    On the heels of controversial late-term abortion legislation from New York and Virginia in January and an early February Supreme Court ruling blocking a Louisiana state law that would have restricted access to the procedure, the latest Fox News Poll finds that voters remain divided on the issue.

    The poll, conducted February 10-12 and released Wednesday, finds 44 percent of voters identifying as pro-life, while 46 percent are pro-choice.  That is similar to July 2018:  42 percent pro-life vs. 45 percent pro-choice.

    Democrats (72 percent), women (52 percent), and voters under age 45 (53 percent) are nearly equally as likely to be pro-choice as Republicans (71 percent), men (49 percent), and those over 45 (51 percent) are to be pro-life.  Independents are split, 42 percent pro-life vs. 43 percent pro-choice.

    And when asked about their familiarity with the most famous of abortion cases, Roe v. Wade, just under half (48 percent) say they are “extremely” or “very” familiar with the ruling while the exact same number are “somewhat” or “not at all” familiar.

    Moreover, 57 percent of voters say the Supreme Court should let the 46-year old ruling stand; that number jumps to 68 percent among those who are familiar with the case.

    Majorities of Democrats (73 percent), voters ages 45 and over (63 percent), women (59 percent), Catholics (59 percent), and men (54 percent) all feel the case should be left alone.  Even pluralities of Republicans (43 percent stand vs. 37 percent overturn) and Protestants (49-29 percent) would let the ruling stand.

    On January 22, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo signed into law the Reproductive Health Act, which allows for abortions after 24 weeks if a woman’s health is at risk or if the fetus is not viable.  Additionally, a law introduced in early January by a Democratic lawmaker in Virginia would have also loosened restrictions on late-term abortions, but the bill was set aside.

    So how do voters feel about late-term abortions?  Voters take a more nuanced view about late-term abortions than the traditional pro-choice/pro-life divide. One-in-ten (11 percent) think a woman’s right to have an abortion in the third trimester of pregnancy should “always” be legal, while 43 percent say “only in some circuмstances,” and 37 percent say “never.”

    Majorities of Republicans (58 percent) and white evangelical Christians (61 percent) think late-term abortions should be wholly illegal. Republican women (65 percent) are among the most opposed to third-trimester abortion.

    Among women overall, 52 percent are pro-choice and 54 percent say third-trimester abortions should either be legal in all (11 percent) or some circuмstances (43 percent).

    The Fox News poll is based on landline and cellphone interviews with 1,004 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide and was conducted under the joint direction of Beacon Research (D) (formerly named Anderson Robbins Research) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from February 10-12, 2019. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #1 on: May 25, 2019, 07:24:54 AM »
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  • Those same 59 percent are not only pro abortion but are also pro sodomite marriage.
    And most are feminist man haters too.  
    Many of these people are mean and nasty communists.  The most are the baby boomers who are silent and indifferent to the  rapes of children and seminarians.  

    Most of bishops, cardinals, religious are sodomites.
    The Pope has praised and awarded abortionists.  He kisses the feet of muzzies but won’t genuflect before our Lord.  These same pro choice sodomite loving so called Catholic love the Pope who preaches a different gospel.



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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #2 on: May 25, 2019, 09:56:42 AM »
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  • Can we really trust a Fox news poll anymore? They are CNN lite with a conservative haircut. The PTB at Fox are one and the same as the other Zio networks, especially since the death of Roger Ailes. Yes they have Hannity , Dobbs a a few others for optics but their overall culture has shifted drastically.I wouldn't put it past them to skew a poll in favor of baby killing. 
    Personally, I feel that we pro-life folks have had the greatest momentum ever with Trump, and just listening to podcasts and non mainstream media , it looks like the  millennial types are realizing they have been shafted by the radicalized liberal culture and media, and are openly embracing traditional values such as non-contraception and life beginning at conception. I don't know the percentages but I know it's an upward trajectory and it gives me a lot of hope. As far as NO Catholics, they are a bunch of old hippies steeped in '70's propaganda that they can't shake. To me they are becoming more and more irrelevant, no matter how they try and reinvent  their tired old agenda. Kind of like Madonna at sixty wearing slut clothes to be cool. Polling them is like polling lemmings before they fall off the cliff.

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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #3 on: May 25, 2019, 10:34:39 AM »
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  • Remember, that if you publicly support murdering babies you aren’t a Catholic.
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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #4 on: May 25, 2019, 11:28:36 AM »
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    Can we really trust a Fox news poll anymore?


    They were never trustworthy. They've always been controlled opposition and a false alternative to the neo-liberal mass media. False paradogm of "left vs right" media. The owner of Faux Jews is a Jew himself.

    • NBC/Universal Studios is owned by the Jew, Brian Roberts.

    • CBS/MTV/Paramount Pictures/Viacom is owned by the Jew, Murray Rothstein (aka Sumner Redstone).

    • ABC/Disney is run by the Jew, Robert Iger, who is Chairman & CEO.

    • CNN/Time Magazine is primarily owned by the Jew, Aviv Nevo, with the Jew, Jeff Zucker, as president.

    • FOX News/Wall Street Journal/New York Post/20th Century Fox is owned by the Jew, Rupert Murdoch, whose mother Elisabeth Joy Greene, was a Jew.

    • The New York Times is owned by the Jєωιѕн Sulzberger family, the major influence behind Columbia University. Arthur Sulzberger Jr is current Chairman of The NY Times.

    • Numerous Newspapers & Magazines throughout North America are owned by the Jєωιѕн Newhouse family.


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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #5 on: May 25, 2019, 12:04:58 PM »
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    Most of bishops, cardinals, religious are sodomites.
     The Pope has praised and awarded abortionists.  He kisses the feet of muzzies but won’t genuflect before our Lord.  These same pro choice sodomite loving so called Catholic love the Pope who preaches a different gospel.
     
    I guess the lesson to be learned is this: Don’t poll Catholics, (certainly not the Catholic hierarchy), and expect to come up with anything that approaches a proper understanding of probity and truth, or a correct assessment upon the direction which society should take at any given time.

    Polling data probably didn’t exist in 16th century England. But by the time the bastard Queen Elizabeth came to power, many (most?) Catholics, including particularly the Church hierarchy had been brought pretty much to heel. Catholics didn’t offer much significant resistance to the “Virgin Queen,” who may have been the offspring of her own Tudor father. In fact, it is hard to believe that she might have ruled England for 44+ years without a great deal of Catholic support, especially among the clergy.

    The same goes for America’s entrance into both WWI and II, and Vietnam. Unless US Catholics had not generally agreed upon our participation in those conflicts, I doubt that the politicians could have successfully steered the nation in the direction of war, fαℓѕє fℓαgs notwithstanding. After all, Catholics represented the largest religious denomination in the US.

    We could go on with similar examples of Catholic perfidy and wrongheadedness among the general
    Catholic population at different historical periods. But I’m certain that you all catch the drift…..


    And we haven’t even touched upon the general acquiescence of most Catholics worldwide to Vatican 2.

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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #6 on: May 25, 2019, 01:21:22 PM »
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  • Perhaps unwittingly, those 59% of Baptized Catholics performed spiritual abortions on their own souls.



    Following the easy, wide road, they ripped themselves out of their spiritual birthright, which is Heaven.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #7 on: May 25, 2019, 05:29:06 PM »
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  • Ah, yes, these are the people we're using as the litmus test of orthodoxy; their Universal Acceptance of Francis means that he must be the pope.


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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #8 on: May 25, 2019, 09:58:07 PM »
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  • This will not turn into an R&R bashing thread. Stay on topic.
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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #9 on: May 25, 2019, 10:00:18 PM »
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  • Hollingsworth, you've made the best response to this thread. Very wise.

    I think you're onto something. Without the Catholics going along with it, it wouldn't happen. Bad movies (remember the Legion of Decency?), contraception, the list is endless.

    People used to look to the Catholic Church for approval and guidance. 

    Even this poll is proof of that! Why do they mention Catholics specifically? It's because Catholicism used to be important, it used to stand for something, it used to be an unmoving pillar of truth.
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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2019, 06:15:01 PM »
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  • It is absolutely appalling that so many Catholics can accept abortion in any circuмstances.  But equally sad that so many seem to accept the sin of contraception 


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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2019, 07:21:16 PM »
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    59% of Catholics are OK with Roe vs Wade
    98% of "Catholics" are not Catholic.

    (In France less than 4% of Catholics go to mass)

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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #12 on: May 27, 2019, 01:53:22 AM »
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  • Yes, the liberal media's known to skew polls to promote its own agenda sometimes (many people support infanticide, so infanticide should be legal - from that angle), but I have a feeling this poll probably isn't that far from the truth. The fact is many professing Catholics, at best, are very poorly educated about their Faith, as a result of bad catechesis; or, at worst, are entirely indifferent to what the Church teaches, have never troubled to find out, or have been so brainwashed by liberal errors that they think that even Natural Law like the state's duty to protect life in the womb is only "a personal opinion" that should not influence the law, or something like that.

    I've heard another claimed statistic that allegedly 98% of Catholic women accept contraception. I'm much more skeptical of that claim. We know what they say about lies and statistics. But whatever the percentage may be on both abortion and contraception, it's overall very troubling and indicative that this crisis in catechesis imho is one of the most urgent things to resolve. Some churchmen have caused even basic Church Teaching to be denied or ignored, and some Catholics don't care anymore what immutable Church Teaching is and always must be. Tradition will continue to be clear and firm on it.

    Anyway, in reading this poll, one should also factor in imho that, per many reports, Catholic voters were instrumental in Trump winning election in 2016 over Hillary. And Trump's position against abortion and Hillary's support for it were fairly clear by then. But it's clear that many Catholics don't care about Church Teaching, and that's a collective failure that needs to be remedied. Bishops should have been much stronger in upholding the Truth themselves and excommunicating pro-abortion politicians, then the results may have been different. Still, there no doubt are some good pro-life Bishops and lay Catholics who are solidly against infanticide.

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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #13 on: May 27, 2019, 06:29:09 AM »
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  • 98% of "Catholics" are not Catholic.

    (In France less than 4% of Catholics go to mass)
    Agreed, but I think that the percentage may be higher.
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    Re: 59 percent of Catholics OK with Roe v Wade
    « Reply #14 on: May 27, 2019, 07:44:03 AM »
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  • I don’t need poll, I see it locally.  I see Biden, Peℓσѕι, Aoc, pope, cardinals , bishops etc.  In my area which is mostly conservative.   It is the Catholics who are pro choice, pro sodomite etc.  it is Catholics who sponsored assisted ѕυιcιdє bill.  These dioceses in our state received money to relocate non Christians into poor working class areas after Churches were closed down.  As far as the pope goes. If you ever try apologetics on family and neighbors, they will always quote Pope Francis because he is a main problem.  All he does is show favoritism towards liberal clergy.

    Catholics who are pro choice are also pro gαy, pro divorce, feminism.  They are pushing for women priests.  My sister in law sister of no mercy was director of religious Ed but now has new title of Pastoral assistant.  She train new Catholics rcia and in charge of altar servers.  Yikes. 

    Even traditionalism has its share of pro gαy, divorce, pro choice. Pro feminism. It is for now is hidden.  

    We have roe vs wade because “Catholics” and radical left clergy.  

    It is pretty bad that atheism/satanism has surpassed Catholicism. It all because of the sodomite communists who have taken over the Catholic Church.  Catholic laity need to wake up.  






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