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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Ladislaus on September 26, 2022, 07:16:49 AM
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https://novusordowatch.org/2022/09/four-bishops-accuse-francis-of-heresy/
So here we have 4 NO bishops rightly accusing Bergoglio of heresy for "teaching" a proposition explicitly anathematized by Trent.
One is the familiar Bishop Gracida, who's approaching 100, but the other three are all in their early 60s. There's of course Bishop Schneider, but now we have a couple new-comers, Strickland and Mutsaerts. Alas, none of them was consecrated in the Traditional Rite of Episcopal consecration.
There's that prophecy of Blessed Tomasuccio de Foligno:
By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.
Bergoglio usurped the See of Peter in early 2013, after 12 years had passed since the millennium. We see more and more Catholics waking up to the fact that Bergoglio is no Catholic. While "the worthy Shpherd" has not yet explicitly emerged, one might perhaps look back at the election of Bergoglio as having exposed this shism.
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Here is Louie V's take:
https://akacatholic.com/ecclesial-theater/
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Here is Louie V's take:
https://akacatholic.com/ecclesial-theater/
I disagree with Louie that Bergoglio was talking about going to Mass, as does Novus Ordo Watch. It's clear from the context that Bergoglio was talking about Holy Communion.
As for criticizing these bishops, I've long found this unhelpful. Nobody's claiming that these bishops are fully Traditional simply because they accused Bergoglio of heresy here, but they should not be condemned or criticized for what in and of itself is a praiseworthy action.
I liken it to a child who comes to apologize for some misdeed. Instead of accepting the apology and showing approval for it, the parent immediately launches into a tirade about various OTHER faults of the child. We should encourage these bishops, and perhaps one day, if they remain on their current trajectory, they'll fully come around. That is why I have objected to the various criticisms of +Vigano also. OK, he's not a full-blown sedevacatist -- although in a recent statement he came a hair's breadth away from saying that the See is vacant -- but why subject him to derision? He's actually swung rather far to the right of SSPX. Instead, we should pray for them that they might fully come around, and welcome their efforts, and receive them positively ... just as we should welcome the child who comes to apologize even if he's still far from perfect yet in other respects. And, then, with that tone, we could offer constructive exhortation to go further. "I am grateful your statements regarding the recent heresy of Bergoglio, but this is just the tip of the iceberg with him ... and the go on." Of with a Taylor Marshall, as I wrote in a comment on his Youtube channel, along the lines that I agree with him regarding his questioning of whether Bergoglio can be the true pope, but then point out that Wojtyla put Bergoglio's engagement in non-Catholic religious rites to shame, encouraging him to dig deeper. I also wrote Ann Barnhardt calling out the heresies of Ratzinger, praising her for realizing the heresies of Bergoglio, but then encouraging her to investigate Ratzinger's Orthodoxy, sending her a link to various websites that lay it all out.
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While "the worthy Shpherd" has not yet explicitly emerged, one might perhaps look back at the election of Bergoglio as having exposed this shism.
Absolutely! Jorge exposed the schism in the most glorious manner. I only pray that the next fake pope isn’t slightly less odious. The cult of personality is such an unbelievable draw. A handsome man promulgating the same heresies as Jorge with a little more sophistication will be declared a saint. I mean Wotjyla, whew, that guy was a raging heretic, he worshipped man instead of God and told everybody about it everywhere all the time and promulgated his new humanism to the ends of the earth and conservatives still venerate him as a saint and traditionalists still believe he was a pope. I’ll tell you what though, Catholics who have had their eyes opened by Jorge are looking at a different situation than you traditionalists who were attending Chapels for Latin Mass your whole lives. These Masses have operated on an emergency basis, Epikeia…but me, I’m coming to this after many years and I’m not looking to live the rest of my life on an emergency basis and I’m certainly not looking to send my children off to get married and raise families on an emergency footing. If the world ends, it does but we need to repair this situation. One doesn’t go on indefinitely eating MRE’s forever; you figure out a way to establish a reliable food supply. The Church needs a Pope.
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Very few of us became Traditional Catholics instantly. For most of us, it was a process, and these bishops here might be taking some of the first steps. I'm no sure how I would have reacted if, when I first started waking up to the problems with the Conciliar Church, a Traditional Catholic had started to excoriate me for not being Traditional enough, or, say, the Dimonds had written to me, denouncing me as a heretic for not being fully Traditional yet.
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How many years has it been now since "Cardinal" Burke and Friends sent their filial correction?
Forgive my inability to trust the NO "bishops". This will go nowhere just as the above went nowhere.
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This has been done already (https://www.docuмentcloud.org/docuмents/5983408-Open-Letter-to-the-Bishops-of-the-Catholic.html), around Easter of 2019.
Interesting that Gracida is involved. He's a Bennyvacantist (https://abyssum.org/i-believe/). Anyway, on his website he brags about his special relationship with Paul VI (https://abyssum.org/pope-paul-vi-and-i/).
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How many years has it been now since "Cardinal" Burke and Friends sent their filial correction?
Forgive my inability to trust the NO "bishops". This will go nowhere just as the above went nowhere.
Sure, this will likely go nowhere, although Bishop Gracida has declared Bergoglio a heretic non-pope. Nevertheless, it's encouraging to me to see at least four NO bishops accusing Bergoglio of heresy. Of course, that's a commentary on the state of the Conciliar Church that ONLY 4 of them call it out.
It is interesting to see a Bishop, thus far in good standing with the NO, declare Bergoglio to be a non-pope. They probably haven't excommunnicated him over it because they'd prefer to just let the old man (nearly 100) just pass away rather than draw more attention to his claims.
On a separate note, this man looks amazing for his age, and has amazing grasp of his faculties. In this interview (the most recent I could find), he's about 93 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arF9TlUVfiU
He could easily be mistaken for a man, both in his looks and in his intellectual lucidity, for someone in his mid- to late- 60s.
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Here, earlier this year, about 5 months short of his 99th birthday, looking a bit more his age, but still offering the Tridentine Mass. He needs a bit of help, including sitting down during most of the Mass, but still amazing. What a shame that his 50th episcopal jubilee is offered in what is obviously a private home with about a dozen people in attendance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-3ggXV3J5I
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Sure, this will likely go nowhere, although Bishop Gracida has declared Bergoglio a heretic non-pope. Nevertheless, it's encouraging to me to see at least four NO bishops accusing Bergoglio of heresy. Of course, that's a commentary on the state of the Conciliar Church that ONLY 4 of them call it out.
It is interesting to see a Bishop, thus far in good standing with the NO, declare Bergoglio to be a non-pope. They probably haven't excommunnicated him over it because they'd prefer to just let the old man (nearly 100) just pass away rather than draw more attention to his claims.
On a separate note, this man looks amazing for his age, and has amazing grasp of his faculties. In this interview (the most recent I could find), he's about 93 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arF9TlUVfiU
He could easily be mistaken for a man, both in his looks and in his intellectual lucidity, for someone in his mid- to late- 60s.
My dear mother will be 92 in November, and she would compare very favorably with him. Sharper than many people a third her age, and doesn't look a day over 75. Doesn't miss a beat.
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That is why I have objected to the various criticisms of +Vigano also. Of with a Taylor Marshall, as I wrote in a comment on his Youtube channel, along the lines that I agree with him regarding his questioning of whether Bergoglio can be the true pope, but then point out that Wojtyla put Bergoglio's engagement in non-Catholic religious rites to shame, encouraging him to dig deeper. I also wrote Ann Barnhardt calling out the heresies of Ratzinger, praising her for realizing the heresies of Bergoglio, but then encouraging her to investigate Ratzinger's Orthodoxy, sending her a link to various websites that lay it all out.
Marshall, Barnhardt, Vigano and other "trad" podcasters are setting the stage for Bennyvacantism and the fake Third Secret "Bishop in White" (Benny the fake trad) to save the day!
"Poor Benny is held hostage!" ::)
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Marshall, Barnhardt, Vigano and other "trad" podcasters are setting the stage for Bennyvacantism and the fake Third Secret "Bishop in White" (Benny the fake trad) to save the day!
"Poor Benny is held hostage!" ::)
No need to spend a lot of time going back into all of the Ratzinger stuff.
St John made it very clear and very simple:
"This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son hath the Father also." 1John2:21
Of course there will be many antichrists and we can waste a lot of time looking for the big one with all the various signs like what haircolor they have and what country they were born in etc. etc.
But really, this just narrows it down. Deny Christ as son of God and the necessity of His salvific cross and...
we're done.
That's all we need to know.
Next...
Benedict XVI denied Christ---not just a long time ago and now he is "traditional". He denied Christ while acting as pope.
It wasn't in an off the cuff statement on an airplane or a misquoted article by a reporter in a newspaper.
It's in his own book he wrote while the acting pope:
BENEDICT XVI PROMOTES THAT JєωS SHOULD NOT BE CONVERTED
Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 45: “Hildegard Brem comments on this passage as follows: ‘In the light of Romans 11:25, the Church must not concern herself with the conversion of the Jєωs, since she must wait for the time fixed for this by God, ‘until the full number of the Gentiles come in’ (Rom 11:25).”
Benedict XVI quotes approvingly from Hildegard Brem, who teaches that the Church should not convert Jєωs. Benedict XVI doesn’t contradict the teaching, but promotes it and agrees with it. This is complete and total apostasy. On the next page, he even expands upon the point. He declares that the Jєωs retain their own “mission.”
Benedict XVI, Jesus of Nazareth – Holy Week: From the Entrance into Jerusalem to the Resurrection, 2011, p. 46: “Moreover, we have seen that the nucleus of Jesus’ eschatological message includes the proclamation of an age of the nations, during which the Gospel must be brought to the whole world and to all people: only then can history attain its goal.
In the meantime, Israel retains its own mission. Israel is in the hands of God, who will save it ‘as a whole’ at the proper time, when the number of Gentiles is complete. The fact that that historical duration of this period cannot be calculated is self-evident and should not surprise us.”
According to him, the Jєωs don’t need to be converted because they retain their own mission and are “in the hands of God.” Of course, this is a denial of Jesus Christ, the Gospel, the Catholic faith, and many dogmas. That’s also why we saw him encourage the Chief Rabbi of Rome in his “mission.”
Benedict XVI, Address to Chief Rabbi of Rome, Jan. 16, 2006: “Distinguished Chief Rabbi, you were recently entrusted with the spiritual guidance of Rome’s Jєωιѕн Community; you have taken on this responsibility enriched by your experience as a scholar and a doctor who has shared in the joys and sufferings of a great many people. I offer you my heartfelt good wishes for your mission, and I assure you of my own and my collaborators’ cordial esteem and friendship.”
It’s an epic fraud that this man is able to pass himself off as the pope and the head of the Christian Church. The Apostles were converted Jєωs. The Apostles themselves evangelized the Jєωs. Jesus’ Great Commission (Mk. 16; Mt. 28) instructed the Apostles to bring the Gospel to everyone. It’s a dogma that the Jєωs (just like other non-Christians) cannot be saved without baptism and faith in Christ.
Acts 4:12-“… the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ… Nor is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name, under heaven, given to men, whereby we must be saved.”
Acts 13:45-46- “And the Jєωs seeing the multitudes, were filled with envy, and contradicted those things which were said by Paul, blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas said boldly: To you it behooved us first to speak the word of God: but because you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold we turn to the Gentiles.”
https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/jesus-of-nazareth-holy-week-anti-pope-benedict-xvi/
God bless Benedict, Francis, Marshall, Barnhardt, Vigano
and all those they lead astray.
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Marshall, Barnhardt, Vigano and other "trad" podcasters are setting the stage for Bennyvacantism and the fake Third Secret "Bishop in White" (Benny the fake trad) to save the day!
"Poor Benny is held hostage!" ::)
Neither Marshall nor +Vigano have come out as Bennyvacantists, and I don't think that anyone's under the illusion that the decrepit Ratzinger is going to save anything. Bennyvacantists are mostly looking for an explanation for the phenomenon of Jorge Bergoglio.
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No need to spend a lot of time going back into all of the Ratzinger stuff.
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God bless Benedict, Francis, Marshall, Barnhardt, Vigano
and all those they lead astray.
... and yet you wasted an entire wall of text on it preaching to the choir. I think there are maybe one or two Bennyvacantists here on this forum, and I haven't heard from any of them in a very long time, since they haven't found the forum members here receptive to the notion.
Secondly, as mentioned earlier, Vigano and Marshall are not Bennyvacantists. Neither are Benny nor Francis. So, are you writing all this nonsense to Barnhardt? Since I doubt she reads this forum, I wrote her an e-mail explaining that Benny is nearly as bad as Bergoglio, but I got no response.
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... and yet you wasted an entire wall of text on it preaching to the choir. I think there are maybe one or two Bennyvacantists here on this forum, and I haven't heard from any of them in a very long time, since they haven't found the forum members here receptive to the notion.
Secondly, as mentioned earlier, Vigano and Marshall are not Bennyvacantists. Neither are Benny nor Francis. So, are you writing all this nonsense to Barnhardt? Since I doubt she reads this forum, I wrote her an e-mail explaining that Benny is nearly as bad as Bergoglio, but I got no response.
Well, you may see it that way, but I narrowed it down to the definition St John gives and supported that view with a quote from MHFM.
Speaking the truth is never a waste of text.
I'm not criticizing your efforts which are a good thing and Ann has the time and motivation to go deep into these things.
Why hasn't she? :confused:
Anyway, just narrowing it down since most people don't have time to go deep into it all.
It just seems clear to me that the nwo desperately want to deceive the elect and are setting things up for that purpose with casts like this on the fake third secret put out by the fake sister Lucy (see:
https://sisterlucytruth.org/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg7HeCOqKvo&t=734s
and
3min 38sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rynyjvmfhus
Marshall was clearly gatekeeping in his Infiltration book. How likely is it to study the issue enough to write a book and not get to the foundational core?
Just pointing out the red flags for people to keep in mind...
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And we have this one from Sep 20th:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkpOHodiUys
With comments like this:
"A fascinating video. The idea of Benedict XVI as an Abrahamic like figure, who will be instrumental in saving the Church is an amazing and novel one - certainly to me! - but definitely worthy of consideration."
So it's just good for busy people to keep in mind that according to St John, Benedict XVI qualifies as an antichrist.
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I definitely think they all lean Bennyvacantist. If/When Ratzinger dies before Bergoglio, I suspect they will then proclaim sedevacante.
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Just pointing out the red flags for people to keep in mind...
No one here needs to keep it in mind, as we all know that Ratzinger is a Modernist heretic. Probably just motivated by your continued obession with +Vigano because he had some ambiguously-positive things to say about Trump.
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I definitely think they all lean Bennyvacantist. If/When Ratzinger dies before Bergoglio, I suspect they will then proclaim sedevacante.
They most likely will not. They are allergic to sedevacantism. They couldn't bear being called sedevacantists even if they accepted all the antipopes except Francis.
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They most likely will not. They are allergic to sedevacantism. They couldn't bear being called sedevacantists even if they accepted all the antipopes except Francis.
Heh. You're probably right. Suddenly Bergoglio will be just fine with them.
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I definitely think they all lean Bennyvacantist. If/When Ratzinger dies before Bergoglio, I suspect they will then proclaim sedevacante.
They might not "proclaim" it, but I expect they would consider the See empty at that point. At least, those who are strongly "Bennyplenist" or whatever one calls it.
They most likely will not. They are allergic to sedevacantism. They couldn't bear being called sedevacantists even if they accepted all the antipopes except Francis.
There's a big difference between being a "sedevacantist" in the sense that Traditional Catholics mean it, vs. acknowledging the See is empty when a pope dies.
Heh. You're probably right. Suddenly Bergoglio will be just fine with them.
I disagree. Even if they don't proclaim "the chair is empty" from the rooftops when BXVI dies, Bergoglio will not be just fine with them. Of course, only time will tell.
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No one here needs to keep it in mind, as we all know that Ratzinger is a Modernist heretic. Probably just motivated by your continued obession with +Vigano because he had some ambiguously-positive things to say about Trump.
I know people who visit the site who don't know.
Vigano sees Trump ushering in the NWO:
"The defeat of the deep state by the healthy forces within the United States of America will be the premise for a peaceful coexistence of nations, without there being one nation that considers itself superior and legitimized to subjugate the others. This is why Donald Trump was ousted by electoral fraud from the Presidency of the United States..."
That's actually the plan of the United Nations (which was started by Lucifer Trust).
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They most likely will not. They are allergic to sedevacantism. They couldn't bear being called sedevacantists even if they accepted all the antipopes except Francis.
You are misusing the term "sedevacantism". The period between two popes is called "sedevacante". That period does not make one a "sedevacantist".
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You are misusing the term "sedevacantism". The period between two popes is called "sedevacante". That period does not make one a "sedevacantist".
It can be used either way. I prefer the etymologically sound meaning rather than the loaded term used to dismiss people as crazy.
How many times people up-to-then open to tradition are suddenly overcome with animosity as soon as they label me as one of those crazy sedevacantist freaks...
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It can be used either way. I prefer the etymologically sound meaning rather than the loaded term used to dismiss people as crazy.
How many times people up-to-then open to tradition are suddenly overcome with animosity as soon as they label me as one of those crazy sedevacantist freaks...
So was a Catholic between the reigns of Pope St. Pius X and Pope Benedict XV called a "Sedevacantist" during that interregnum? If so, please prove it.
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Take my opinion with a grain of salt but it looks to me like francis is actively working to destroy the church while Benedict may have thought he was doing the the right thing but had fallen victim to modernistic ideas like many neo con priests today. But then again, praying in a ѕуηαgσgυє is unexcusable.
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Take my opinion with a grain of salt but it looks to me like francis is actively working to destroy the church while Benedict may have thought he was doing the the right thing but had fallen victim to modernistic ideas like many neo con priests today. But then again, praying in a ѕуηαgσgυє is unexcusable.
Seems like you don't know a lot about the rat.
https://novusordowatch.org/benedict-xvi/
https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/anti-pope-benedict-xvi/