Author Topic: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS (Read 10921 times)

Meg · « **Reply #15 on:** December 06, 2017, 04:53:24 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on December 06, 2017, 02:27:50 PM

ABL was a sede-doubtist ... just like myself.

Is that how +ABL described himself? I don't recall that he did.

In +ABL's last book, in 1986 (I think it was his last), which was called "Open Letter to Confused Catholics," he wrote this in the last chapter on page 175:

"I have not ceased repeating that if anyone separates himself from the Pope, it will not be I. The question comes down to this: the power of the Pope within that Church is supreme, but not absolute and limitless, because it is subordinate to the Divine authority which is expressed in Tradition."

+ABL wrote that he had not ceased to repeat that he will not separate himself from the Pope. Is that what sede-doubtists' believe? Though, of course, sede-doubtism is probably a recently made-up term, and may not have been in existence when +ABL was alive.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** December 06, 2017, 07:28:48 PM »

Quote from: Hermenegild on December 06, 2017, 03:23:28 PM

What are you doubting exactly? The conclave? If he is accepted by all the Roman clergy then how can you have doubts?

I'll try to explain tomorrow when I have more time.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #17 on:** December 06, 2017, 07:29:48 PM »

Quote from: Meg on December 06, 2017, 04:53:24 PM

Is that how +ABL described himself? I don't recall that he did.

In +ABL's last book, in 1986 (I think it was his last), which was called "Open Letter to Confused Catholics," he wrote this in the last chapter on page 175:

"I have not ceased repeating that if anyone separates himself from the Pope, it will not be I. The question comes down to this: the power of the Pope within that Church is supreme, but not absolute and limitless, because it is subordinate to the Divine authority which is expressed in Tradition."

+ABL wrote that he had not ceased to repeat that he will not separate himself from the Pope. Is that what sede-doubtists' believe? Though, of course, sede-doubtism is probably a recently made-up term, and may not have been in existence when +ABL was alive.

If you look at all of what +Lefebvre wrote, he's a sededoubtists and not a sedeplenist. I'll explain more tomorrow.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #18 on:** December 06, 2017, 10:22:12 PM »

Quote from: Kreuzritter on December 06, 2017, 07:12:15 PM

Ummm ... presumably because they actually care about people's souls? And this latest news constiutes not only proof that Frankie is a manifest heretic, but it is an unambiguous teaching of heresy through a popes authentic magisterium, which, at the very least if left unchallenged, unrecanted and uncorrected, violates indefectibility?
There's no wiggle room for a get-out-of-jail-free card here as there arguably is for Vatican II. As a Catholic you HAVE TO submit to this teaching. Canon law DEMANDS that you do. The FSSP can't argue the "hemeneutic of continuity " here, because it's unambiguous. The SSPX can't say that this teaching is just some kind of list of suggestions from a get-together of bishops with the Pope. It's not a private opinion expressed in a letter. It's not an off-the-cuff remark during an interview. It's not a blunder in a sermon. This is the Pope teaching as pope and to the Church. It's AUTHENTIC MAGISTERIUM concerning FAITH AND MORALS, in particular the every nature of morality itself.

Submit to the pope's teaching.

The R&R can’t win here. Either they destroy what they were trying to protect (traditional doctrine) or they submit and lose their identity. It’s like a Vietnam: “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”

AJNC · « **Reply #19 on:** December 07, 2017, 12:29:50 AM »

Quote from: Meg on December 06, 2017, 12:43:52 PM

Sedevacantists say one thing....Catholics say another. I follow ABL's thinking on the matter.

This site calls itself catholic-hierarchy.org and it says that ABL left the Church.

Archbishop Marcel-François Lefebvre, C.S.Sp. †

Deceased

Bishop Emeritus of Tulle

Note/Previous Titular See: (left the Church)

http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/blefebvre.html

CathInfo.com

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