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« on: December 06, 2017, 01:42:47 AM »
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  • 1.TRADITIO

     On December 4, 2017, Francis-Bergoglio, who couldn't be bothered to respond to his Newcardinals who denounced his March 19, 2016, document Amoris laetitia (The Joy of Sex) as heretical, has now confirmed his heresy by publishing it in Acta Apostolicae Sedis, now the official organ of Newchurch of the New Order. Not only does the organ include Bergoglio's endorsement of the heretical policy of the Newbishops of the Province of Buenos Aires, but also publishes the Argentine guidelines themselves. This publication means that Newrome now officially endorses false teachings that directly contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Now it is no secret why Bergoglio remained silent in the face of his Newcardinals' denunciations of his heresies. It appears that all along he was intending to snooker them by officially publishing the Protestant heresy that divorced and remarried Newchurchers can commit bigamy. Francis-Bergoglio has now openly pleased the Marxists and Leftists of Newchurch by finding the teaching of Christ to be "imperfect" and "in need of correction."

    As yet, I have not heard of a single Newcardinal resigning because he cannot perjure his oath and serve a heretic, even huffing-puffing Newcardinal Ray "Bully" Burke. While Burke moves more slowly than grass doth grow, Leftists don't hesitate for an instant. By publishing the Argentine Bishops' heretical guidelines with an endorsement from Bergoglio and the latter's affirmation that there is "no other interpretation possible" of his Amoris laetitia, the conflict is now direct and official. There is no place left for Newcardinals Burke and Brandmuller and Sarah and Muller to squirm to. There is no rabbit-hole or warren left where they can take shelter.

    Newcardinal Muller and others are now talking openly about a coming "schism." The problem is that one group of heretics, the Neocons, are about to separate from another, the Leftists. There are schisms and divisions of every kind in Hell also, just as there have been in the Protestant heresy: Methodists break with Anglicans and then Evangelicals break with Methodists, et cetera. The demons agree only in hating God. In this case, it is the Most Blessed Trinity and the Catholic Faith that the Newchurchers all repudiate, when they reject the dogmata and Sacred Liturgy of Holy Mother Church, for it is God the Holy Ghost Who teaches us all things through the Sacred Tradition that Leftists and Neocon Newchurchers both reject.

    2. ARISE LET US BE GOING blog:
     https://ariseletusbegoing.com/2017/06/27/amoris-laetitia-officially-published-in-latin-in-acta-apostolicae-sedis-aas-still-a-dialogue-not-any-kind-of-teaching/

     2017-06-27 · 6:35 am

    Amoris laetitia officially published in Latin in Acta Apostolicae Sedis (AAS) – Still a dialogue, not any kind of teaching

    From paragraph 4:

        Quapropter aequum iudicavimus Adhortationem apostolicam post-synodalem conscribere,quae sententias colligeret duarum proximarum de familia Synodorum, aliis additis considerationibus quae cogitationes, dialogum vel pastoralem actionem dirigere, et eadem opera animum erigere, concitare familiasque iuvare earum in muneribus ac difficultatibus possint.

    3.MHFM


        Francis Publishes Key Documents On Amoris Laetitia’s Heretical Teaching In The AAS & Declares Them ‘Authentic Magisterium’



    Bro. Peter Dimond

    Antipope Francis has directed that key documents relevant to his notoriously heretical teaching in Amoris Laetitia (that people living in open, public, unrepentant adultery may receive Holy Communion) be given even more official status by their publication in the ‘official acts of the Apostolic See’ for the Vatican II Sect. Francis has also elevated these documents to the status of ‘Apostolic Letter’ (Epistula Apostolica) and specifically directed that they be considered part of his ‘authentic Magisterium’! This is another smashing proof that Francis is a notorious heretic and an antipope, and that the Vatican II Sect is not the Catholic Church. As you might expect, this development is causing further dismay and wonder among those who still hope in vain in the Vatican II Sect (the prophesied Whore of Babylon) and its apostate non-Catholic antipopes.

    Francis Publishes Heretical Documents On Amoris Laetitia In The AAS

    To understand what Antipope Francis did, why it’s so significant, and why false traditionalists are so distressed about this, let’s quickly recap the most important facts here:

        On Sept. 5, 2016, the Argentinian ‘Bishops’ of the Vatican II Sect published a document called: Basic criteria for the application of chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia. It interprets chapter 8 of Antipope Francis’ ‘Apostolic Exhortation’ Amoris Laetitia and discusses how it should be implemented with regard to people who are “divorced and in a new union” (i.e. those living in what Catholic teaching and the Bible call adultery). The Argentinian ‘Bishops’ state that in some cases (i.e. with some people who are living in adultery) continence “may not, in fact, be feasible”. In other words, avoiding adultery and obeying God’s commandment is simply not an option for some people. They then teach that Amoris Laetitia opens up the possibility for people in such adulterous situations to receive the Eucharist. They write:

        “In other, more complex circumstances, and when it is not possible to obtain a declaration of nullity, the aforementioned option [i.e. “continence”] may not, in fact, be feasible. Nonetheless, it is equally possible to undertake a journey of discernment. If one arrives at the recognition that, in a particular case, there are limitations that diminish responsibility and culpability (cf. 301-302), particularly when a person judges that he would fall into a subsequent fault by damaging the children of the new union, Amoris Laetitia opens up the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist (cf. notes 336 and 351). These in turn dispose the person to continue maturing and growing with the aid of grace.” (Argentinian ‘Bishops’, Basic criteria for the application of chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia, #6., Sept. 5, 2016)

    According to the Argentinian ‘Bishops’, Amoris Laetitia allows people living in open, public, unrepentant adultery “the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist”. This is of course blatantly heretical, and it is a totally accurate interpretation of Antipope Francis’ horribly heretical document, Amoris Laetitia.

        Moreover, as we’ve documented repeatedly, in a letter to the delegate of the region, Francis commented on the aforementioned document published by the Argentinian ‘Bishops’. He praised their work and stated that there are “no other interpretations” of Amoris Laetitia than what the Argentinian ‘Bishops’ put forward (i.e. the document cited above). The Counter Church is thus going out of its way to leave no doubt that they approve the distribution of Holy Communion to those living in adultery.

        Francis’ letter to Mons. Sergío Alfredo Fenoy, Delegate of the Buenos Aires Pastoral Region, regarding the Argentinian Bishops’ Basic Criteria for the Application of Chap. 8 of Amoris Laetitia:

        “Beloved brother: I received the document from the Buenos Aires Pastoral Region, ‘Basic Criteria for the Application of Chapter Eight of Amoris Laetitia.’ Thank you very much for sending it to me. I thank you for the work they have done on this: a true example of accompaniment for the priests… and we all know how necessary is this closeness of the bishop with his clergy and the clergy with the bishop. The neighbor ‘closest’ to the bishop is the priest, and the commandment to love one’s neighbor as one’s self begins for us, the bishops, precisely with our priests. The document is very good and completely explains the meaning of chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia. There are no other interpretations. And I am certain that it will do much good. May the Lord reward this effort of pastoral charity.” (Francis’ Letter To Delegate of Argentinian ‘Bishops’ on Chap. 8 of Amoris Laetitia, Sept. 5, 2016)

    As we can see, Francis endorsed the Argentinian Bishops’ interpretation and proclaimed that it properly explains the meaning of the notorious chapter 8 of Amoris Laetitia. He added that: “There are no other interpretations” (“No hay otras interpretaciones”). Hence, the Argentinian ‘Bishops’ are notorious heretics, and Francis is a notorious heretic. That’s very clear to those of good will who consider these facts.

    BUT FRANCIS TAKES IT FURTHER

    Well, it gets worse. If the aforementioned facts did not make it clear enough to the members of the end-times Counter Church that Antipope Francis and his sect are not Catholic, the two documents cited above (i.e. 1– The Argentinian Bishops’ Basic Criteria For The Application Of Chapter 8 Of Amoris Laetitia; and 2- Francis’ letter to the Argentinian delegate on The Argentinian Bishops’ Basic Criteria For The Application Of Chapter 8…) have now both been published in the ‘Acts of the Apostolic See’ and identified as an ‘Apostolic Letter’. Francis has thus elevated their status.

    While it’s true that the presence of a document in the ‘Acts of the Apostolic See’ during the reign of a valid pope does not mean, in itself, that it is infallible, this series of actions by Francis with regard to Amoris Laetitia leaves no doubt that he has attempted to invoke his official magisterial teaching authority to promulgate heresy. That’s because we are dealing with an underlying document (Amoris Laetitia) promulgated in specific form by the so-called ‘pope’ to the entire Church, and it contains blatant heresy. That specific form document to the entire Church has, in turn, been followed up by other officially published documents that are now identified collectively as an ‘Apostolic Letter’ (i.e. Antipope Francis’ letter to the Argentinian ‘Bishops’ and their guidelines), which reaffirm the blatant heresy.  In fact, on June 5, 2017, the Secretary of State, Pietro Card. Parolin, published a ‘Rescript’ (an official response from the ‘Pope’) which declared that Francis “decrees” that both of the previously cited documents (i.e. 1- The Argentinian Bishops’ Basic Criteria; and 2- Francis’ letter agreeing with them) be considered part of the “authentic Magisterium”:

    Rescript “from an Audience with Pope Francis”

        ENGLISH:

        Rescript from an Audience with “Pope Francis”

        The Supreme Pontiff decrees that the two documents which precede should be promulgated through publication on the Vatican’s electronic site and in the Acts of the Apostolic See, as authentic Magisterium.

        From the Vatican, June 5, 2017

        Pietro Card. Parolin

        Secretary of State

        LATIN:

        RESCRIPTUM «EX AUDIENTIA SS.MI»

        Summus Pontifex decernit ut duo Documenta quae praecedunt edantur per publicationem in situ electronico Vaticano et in Actis Apostolicae Sedis, velut Magisterium authenticum.

        Ex Aedibus Vaticanis, die V mensis Iunii anno MMXVII

        Petrus Card. Parolin
        Secretarius Status

    Antipope Francis has officially promulgated the heresy that adulterers may receive ‘Communion’ to the entire ‘Church’ and decreed that it be considered the teaching of the ‘authentic Magisterium’. In the face of such facts, to profess communion with Antipope Francis is to profess union with a false Church that allows adulterers to receive ‘Holy Communion’. In that regard, it is equivalent to professing communion with the Anglican Sect. A person with even a small amount of insight should recognize that the specificity of this imposition of heresy is not happening by accident. It is apocalyptic.

    Francis and the end-times beast are attempting to impose heresy on all who recognize him. They are making it extremely clear and official that their sect endorses evil and teaches heresy on the matter of adultery. The Devil’s goal (through them) is to leave those who cling to the Counter Church with no excuse on Judgment Day.

    Those who will be without excuse in the face of such facts include thousands of false traditionalists. Their bad will continues to astound and appall. No matter how much proof comes out to demonstrate that sedevacantists are and have been correct (such as the facts discussed above), many of them still fail to adopt the correct position as a result of faithlessness and impurity of intention.

    This Explains The Post-Vatican II Confusion & Crisis

    Babylon Has Fallen, Fallen

    Francis on Amoris Laetitia: “There are no other interpretations” than Communion for Adulterers

    Padre Pio: “Satan Will Come To Rule A False Church”


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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 02:14:05 AM »
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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 04:36:41 AM »
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    This is bad news.
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    To the contrary, it's great news. What better could we hope for than for Frankie to obstinately assert heresy as part of his authentic magisterium?

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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
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    This is bad news.
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    It is just more proof that the NO church is not the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church cannot possibly promote or approve of evil or sin. 

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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 05:40:26 AM »
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  • It is just more proof that the NO church is not the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church cannot possibly promote or approve of evil or sin.
    No pope for how many years now? As the years roll on this thesis seems to be more problematic. 


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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2017, 06:50:18 AM »
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  • No pope for how many years now? As the years roll on this thesis seems to be more problematic.
    For at least four years anyway.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 06:52:36 AM »
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  • No pope for how many years now? As the years roll on this thesis seems to be more problematic.
    Not as problematic as the thesis that a pope in union with the bishops can teach and promulgate heresy, because the former is at least possible.

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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
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  • Three views of AL on the internet, but the most lengthy is that of "Brother Diamond." 

    Why should a sedevacantist care about this latest turn of events (which comes as no surprise) when sedevacantists believe that there IS NO MAGISTERUIM? Since they believe it's a completely false church and false pope, then why should they care about what they believe to be a false magisterium?


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    This is bad news.
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    It's very bad news for the proponents of R&R.

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    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 09:46:50 AM »
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  • Three views of AL on the internet, but the most lengthy is that of "Brother Diamond."

    Why should a sedevacantist care about this latest turn of events (which comes as no surprise) when sedevacantists believe that there IS NO MAGISTERUIM? Since they believe it's a completely false church and false pope, then why should they care about what they believe to be a false magisterium?
    Meg, with all due respect, we don't hold that there is no magisterium, we believe that the magisterium is not readily accessible. No matter how strange this seems to you and to many people, it does not contradict Church teaching. What is absolutely impossible is that the Church can promote sin or evil. Do you see that?

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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 09:48:07 AM »
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  • Here's the subtlety of Amoris Laetitia.  It's not so much about approving objectively the reception of Holy Communion when not in a state of grace.  It's about claiming that one can be in a state of grace even if one is aware that what one is doing is objectively a grave sin.

    It's about making morality SUBJECTIVE.  So, for example, Bergoglio claims that people can be subjectively in good conscience even if they're in a state where they're objectively committing sin.  I can be divorced and remarried but if I'm in good conscience about it (after my own discernment) that trumps the objective external forum reality of the fact that I am living in sin.

    So Bergoglio's predecessors subjectivized faith and doctrine.  Now Bergoglio finishes the job by subjectivizing morality.

    Obviously there's a subjective element to conscience and to degree of guilt and culpability in sin.  But this subjective element does not trump and cannot override the objective fact that one is committing a sin.

    Someone leaves a thousand dollars on the table.  I pick it up thinking that it's mine (not looking at the amount) and take it home.  Did I commit a sin?  No, because subjectively I did not realize it was a sin.  But the minute I discover my error, if I persist in keeping it, then it becomes a sin subjectively as well.  So believing that I'm not sinning in divorcing and remarrying doesn't fly because the Church tells you otherwise ... just as someone informed me that the money I had was not mine.  At that point it's no longer possible for me to persist in that state without subjective sin as well.  But Begoglio thinks you can.  He's perverted all of moral theology with this.

    This kind of thinking has long been applied in the realm of morality particularly to solitary sins of impurity.  Because the person is perhaps to some degree habituated to (or even addicted to) the sin, a lot of Novus Ordo moralists would say that the solitary sin of impurity would not be a mortal sin.  Is it hypothetically possible that under some circumstances, in the internal forum, this sin might not be a mortal sin?  Perhaps.  Nevertheless, since only God can discern degree of guilt in the internal forum, in the external forum people must consider it a mortal sin and confess it as such and work to avoid it as if it were such.  But for Bergoglio the individual can, together with his spiritual director, discern whether or not the person is subjectively committing mortal sin in the internal forum and then apply that to their behavior in the external forum, i.e. receive communion.  By analogy with the solitary sin I mentioned earlier, this would mean the person, after having discerned it not a mortal sin, would be able to receive Communion before confessing it and would not actually be bound to confess it at all ... since it's been deemed not a mortal sin.


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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 11:28:20 AM »
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  • Meg, with all due respect, we don't hold that there is no magisterium, we believe that the magisterium is not readily accessible. No matter how strange this seems to you and to many people, it does not contradict Church teaching. What is absolutely impossible is that the Church can promote sin or evil. Do you see that?

    Don't you believe that the conciliar church is a completely false church?

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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 11:36:41 AM »
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  • Here's the subtlety of Amoris Laetitia.  It's not so much about approving objectively the reception of Holy Communion when not in a state of grace.  It's about claiming that one can be in a state of grace even if one is aware that what one is doing is objectively a grave sin.

    It's about making morality SUBJECTIVE.  So, for example, Bergoglio claims that people can be subjectively in good conscience even if they're in a state where they're objectively committing sin.  I can be divorced and remarried but if I'm in good conscience about it (after my own discernment) that trumps the objective external forum reality of the fact that I am living in sin.

    So Bergoglio's predecessors subjectivized faith and doctrine.  Now Bergoglio finishes the job by subjectivizing morality.

    Obviously there's a subjective element to conscience and to degree of guilt and culpability in sin.  But this subjective element does not trump and cannot override the objective fact that one is committing a sin.

    Someone leaves a thousand dollars on the table.  I pick it up thinking that it's mine (not looking at the amount) and take it home.  Did I commit a sin?  No, because subjectively I did not realize it was a sin.  But the minute I discover my error, if I persist in keeping it, then it becomes a sin subjectively as well.  So believing that I'm not sinning in divorcing and remarrying doesn't fly because the Church tells you otherwise ... just as someone informed me that the money I had was not mine.  At that point it's no longer possible for me to persist in that state without subjective sin as well.  But Begoglio thinks you can.  He's perverted all of moral theology with this.

    This kind of thinking has long been applied in the realm of morality particularly to solitary sins of impurity.  Because the person is perhaps to some degree habituated to (or even addicted to) the sin, a lot of Novus Ordo moralists would say that the solitary sin of impurity would not be a mortal sin.  Is it hypothetically possible that under some circumstances, in the internal forum, this sin might not be a mortal sin?  Perhaps.  Nevertheless, since only God can discern degree of guilt in the internal forum, in the external forum people must consider it a mortal sin and confess it as such and work to avoid it as if it were such. But for Bergoglio the individual can, together with his spiritual director, discern whether or not the person is subjectively committing mortal sin in the internal forum and then apply that to their behavior in the external forum, i.e. receive communion.  By analogy with the solitary sin I mentioned earlier, this would mean the person, after having discerned it not a mortal sin, would be able to receive Communion before confessing it and would not actually be bound to confess it at all ... since it's been deemed not a mortal sin.
    Good post.

    In regards to the bold above, mortal sin is mortal sin, no excuses, no hypotheticals. The state of mind, volition... etc. is irrelevant and does not reduce mortal sin to venial. This message, ignorance is bliss, is a key component to the loss of souls these days. However, as you said, the degree of guilt, culpability and punishment examined by God in the internal forum is His only, but it remains mortal...

    This is why suicide is always under every circumstance a mortal sin.



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    Re: 3 views on the internet: Amoris Laetitia now in the AAS
    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2017, 12:07:35 PM »
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  • Three views of AL on the internet, but the most lengthy is that of "Brother Diamond."

    Why should a sedevacantist care about this latest turn of events (which comes as no surprise) when sedevacantists believe that there IS NO MAGISTERUIM? Since they believe it's a completely false church and false pope, then why should they care about what they believe to be a false magisterium?
    Brother Dimond's has the most lengthy view because he wants to warn people who are under the misapprehension that the Conciliar Church is the Catholic Church. Sedevacantists believe that the post-Vatican II magisterium is not the magisterium of the Catholic Church. But they have to care as many of them were once either fully Novus Ordo or with R&R, and they feel it is their duty to inform others who are still stuck in those places. The Dimond brothers once attended SSPX chapels. Fr Morrison of Traditio once believed that the 1962 Missal was OK, but he doesn't any more.
    Do the R&R factions care? Why are they quiet?

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    « Reply #14 on: December 06, 2017, 12:16:04 PM »
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  • Brother Dimond's has the most lengthy view because he wants to warn people who are under the misapprehension that the Conciliar Church is the Catholic Church. Sedevacantists believe that the post-Vatican II magisterium is not the magisterium of the Catholic Church. But they have to care as many of them were once either fully Novus Ordo or with R&R, and they feel it is their duty to inform others who are still stuck in those places. The Dimond brothers once attended SSPX chapels. Fr Morrison of Traditio once believed that the 1962 Missal was OK, but he doesn't any more.
    Do the R&R factions care? Why are they quiet?

    But the sedes really have no say in the matter, since they don't believe that the church in Rome, or the Vatican, or the Pope, have anything to do with the Catholic Church or the Catholic faith. 

    The Dimonds once attended SSPX chapels. Okay. But they are just laypersons with an opinion. Archbishop Lefebvre was much more than that, so I take his word for the situation. 

    I am not at all surprised by this latest turn of events. An idiot conniving modernist pope with few Catholics convictions is trying to make as many progressive changes to the Church while he can. That's how modernism works. 

    The sedes can heckle Catholics from the sidelines all they want, but they have left the Church. They have no right to an opinion.

     

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