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Offline Pravoslavni

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  • I find it interesting that this article actually admits that the members of the parish that promote such abomination are not true Catholics.

    Source URL: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/nov/07112807.html
     


    LifeSiteNews.com
    Wednesday November 28, 2007


    US Catholic Parish set to "Publicly Bless the Relationship of Same-Sex Couples"
    Openly challenges Church moral teachings

    By Hilary White

    ST. PAUL - Minneapolis, November 28, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - St. Frances Cabrini church, of the St. Paul and Minneapolis archdiocese, has announced on their website that they are ready to "bless" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners.

    The parish has published a "Statement of Reconciliation" repudiating the Church for its teaching on sɛҳuąƖ purity and married chastity and misrepresenting these teachings as a form of "oppression." The statement said the parish will "Publicly bless the relationships of a same sex couple after the couple completes a process of discernment similar to that completed by heterosɛҳuąƖ couples before marriage."

    The parish statement goes on to pledge that it will publish in the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ press their commitment to the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activist agenda and to including "a gαy/lesbian perspective in catechesis at all levels, including elementary school age." The parish currently runs catechesis programmes for children from ages three and up.

    Perhaps unsurprisingly, the pastor of the parish is Fr. Leo Tibesar who is a national leader in the anti-Catholic ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lobbying organisation, Dignity. Fr. Tibesar was recorded this week preaching a homily refuting Catholic teaching on sɛҳuąƖity and accusing those who uphold it, including bishops, Cardinals and "Evangelicals", of hypocrisy.

    In May 2006, when LifeSiteNews.com revealed Fr. Tibesar's leadership role in the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ political movement within the Church, he was not the pastor of any parish. It was since the revelations of his involvement in the anti-Catholic campaign group that he was assigned to St. Francis Cabrini. He is also a longstanding figure in Archbishop Flynn's archdiocesan programmes preparing couples for marriage.

    The parish says it "stands willing" to accept "openly gαy or lesbian priests or lay ministers" despite the widely available statistics showing the high prevalence of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ clergy perpetrators in the Church's ongoing sɛҳuąƖ abuse crisis.

    Fr. Thomas Euteneuer, head of Human Life International, told LifeSiteNews.com that the parish's statement was "totally contrary to the Catholic faith". "I can only say what the scriptures say, this is an abomination. The blessing of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ partners is an abomination and the corruption of children is a scandal," he said.

    "The fact that they are placing themselves in opposition to the bishops, that they specifically cite the bishops in opposition to them, means they have placed themselves outside the communion of the Catholic Church and apostolic tradition of the Church. In fact in opposition to it."

    Fr. Euteneuer explained that Catholic teaching was not a matter of arbitrary or politically motivated decisions but a "clear understanding of human sɛҳuąƖity passed down to us through the centuries and faithfully passed on by the Church." He added that those actively living a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ lifestyle separate themselves "not just from the Church but from God".

    The leader of the international Catholic pro-life organization stated, "We're not talking about disordered persons but disordered desires and actions. The bishops have been very clear, and the papal teachings go back forever on this issue. I think what it comes down to is that these people worship a different god than we worship."

    In his 2003 book, "Anti-Catholicism in America The Last Acceptable Prejudice", US Episcopal author and historian Philip Jenkins identified these themes as the guiding conventions of the latest wave of anti-Catholic bigotry, fuelled by the sɛҳuąƖ and "gender identity" politics common to the American left since the sɛҳuąƖ revolution of the 1960s.

    Euteneuer said, "I agree with Jenkins and I think the other side of the coin is that we have people within our own ranks, wolves in sheep's clothing, who are not only not authentic Catholics but are working on an anti-Catholic agenda from within the Church."

    Read related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

    Prominent Minneapolis-St. Paul Priest a Leader in National ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Lobby Group
    http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06032009.html

    ON TAPE: U.S. Priest Blasts Vatican Cardinal and Archbishop over ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity During Homily
    http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/nov/07112602.html



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    « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2007, 02:41:23 PM »
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  • The mainstream Catholic Church has varying degrees of losing the Faith. Some people miraculously still have the Faith, though they are often very ignorant and in material heresy on some issues.

    However, cases like this are examples of those who HAVE LOST THE FAITH because of the errors of Vatican II. Casualties, as it were. Bishops like Bishop Brown of California have also completely lost the Faith.

    When priests are going against Natural Law, when the seem to fight against everything good in the Catholic Faith, etc. those are clues for us.

    In other words, some priests/bishops/faithful are just weak -- they are no heroes, not willing to be scorned for Christ and the truth. That won't help their Faith, but it won't necessarily kill it. However, others are ALWAYS AGAINST all the remaining Catholic elements in the Novus Ordo Church establishment, and FOR anything that morphs the Church into something completely "other".  That is a sign that they don't want Christ's religion at all, but are protestant at heart.

    As I've said before, there are Protestants in the Novus Ordo establishment (laity, priests, bishops) but certainly not all of them. If anything, I'd say the protestants are a minority, though an organized and vocal one.

    What bothers me is people who are so narrow-minded, that they can't conceive of someone attending a Novus Ordo Mass and still having the Catholic Faith. Well, I know for a fact that it happens.  So for anyone who considers that all Novus Ordo Catholics are automatically protestants from Rome, let me tell you something: you're wrong.

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    « Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 12:55:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd
    The mainstream Catholic Church has varying degrees of losing the Faith. Some people miraculously still have the Faith, though they are often very ignorant and in material heresy on some issues.

    However, cases like this are examples of those who HAVE LOST THE FAITH because of the errors of Vatican II. Casualties, as it were. Bishops like Bishop Brown of California have also completely lost the Faith.

    When priests are going against Natural Law, when the seem to fight against everything good in the Catholic Faith, etc. those are clues for us.

    In other words, some priests/bishops/faithful are just weak -- they are no heroes, not willing to be scorned for Christ and the truth. That won't help their Faith, but it won't necessarily kill it. However, others are ALWAYS AGAINST all the remaining Catholic elements in the Novus Ordo Church establishment, and FOR anything that morphs the Church into something completely "other".  That is a sign that they don't want Christ's religion at all, but are protestant at heart.

    As I've said before, there are Protestants in the Novus Ordo establishment (laity, priests, bishops) but certainly not all of them. If anything, I'd say the protestants are a minority, though an organized and vocal one.

    What bothers me is people who are so narrow-minded, that they can't conceive of someone attending a Novus Ordo Mass and still having the Catholic Faith. Well, I know for a fact that it happens.  So for anyone who considers that all Novus Ordo Catholics are automatically protestants from Rome, let me tell you something: you're wrong.

    Matthew


    Most people who attend the Novus Ordo, and even those who were members of the Pre-VII church, could care less about the issues that we discuss in this forum. I would think that the majority of Catholics today are material heretics on some issues, and therefore are still members of the Church.

    My parents attend the Novus Ordo, and are quite puzzled, and frankley they don't have a clue, as to why I reject the New Mass/Church. I explain to them frequently the errors of VII, and the new mass, sacraments etc..., but they are simply not theologically minded people. They are moral people, though and honestly try to live the faith, but they are practicing Catholics, who unfortunatley attend the Non-Catholic Novus Ordo because they do not know better. Any discussion about validity of ordination/consecration of the Eucharist, heresy, etc... just goes right over their head.

    I know what I know about the phoney VII Church because of special graces from God, and the intercession of the Theotokos, and my patron saints. I am a historian at heart, and study Trent, Florence, and other traditional Catholic docuмents and teachings. Most people would find such teachings and docuмents to be INCREDIBLY BORING! We must remember that the theologically minded lay faithful are a MINORITY.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 07, 2007, 03:55:17 PM »
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    « Reply #4 on: December 12, 2007, 01:16:47 PM »
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  • My parents were raised in an era when what the priest and bishop said was viewed as the gospel truth. At a time, when everything statement that came from Rome didn't have to be scrutinized for heresy. When Novus Ordo was introduced, they were glad because now they "could understand what was going on." They didn,t realize that the mass hadn't just simply been translated into english, but had been substantially altered. If the bishop OKs the NO, they believe it is OK for them to attend.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 03:18:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: Provoslavni
    They didn,t realize that the mass hadn't just simply been translated into english, but had been substantially altered.


    But you said you were always explaining it to them.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 03:19:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: Provoslavni
    They didn,t realize that the mass hadn't just simply been translated into english, but had been substantially altered.


    But you said you were always explaining it to them.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 01:22:55 PM »
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  • Even if they realized that the mass had changed, they still wouldn't care. As long as "Father (or the bishop/'pope') says it OK," they will attend. And quite frankly I don't blame them. Getting to the point where I was confortable with completley rejecting the Novus Ordo church took quit a long time, and a lot of research on my part. After all, if we Traditional Catholics are wrong, and making decisions based upon our own prideful interpretations of the Magisterium, then we are sinning mortally. I needed a long to be sure that I was making the right decision. Actually, without special graces from the Theotokos, NO ONE is able to come to the realization the the Novus Ordo Church is phoney.

    Oh Holy Theotokos, save us!