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Offline 2Vermont

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*Catholic Knight*
« on: December 30, 2022, 03:14:01 PM »
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    • What is your definition of sedevacantism? I already gave you mine, so this shouldn't be a problem.

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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #1 on: December 30, 2022, 03:15:57 PM »
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    • :laugh2::laugh1:

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    Offline ThatBritPapist

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #2 on: December 30, 2022, 03:21:57 PM »
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    • I think it is self evident what it is.
    The Mental Gymnastics to even determine the definition is worrying  :jester:
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #3 on: December 30, 2022, 03:31:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: ThatBritPapist on December 30, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
    I think it is self evident what it is.
    The Mental Gymnastics to even determine the definition is worrying  :jester:

     
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #4 on: December 30, 2022, 03:37:22 PM »
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    Some People call me a Radical Traditionalist but others call me Shizo.....Oh well :trollface:

    Offline Catholic Knight

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #5 on: December 30, 2022, 08:34:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 30, 2022, 03:14:01 PM
    What is your definition of sedevacantism? I already gave you mine, so this shouldn't be a problem.

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    Please repeat it here.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #6 on: December 30, 2022, 09:05:31 PM »
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #7 on: December 31, 2022, 09:16:47 AM »
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    All Catholics are sedevacantists in times of interregnum.  A sedevacantist is a Catholic who believes the Seat is vacant.

    2Vermont, on the other thread, the above is what you defined as "Sedevacantist".  Do you really expect me to believe that this is your definition of "Sedevacantist"?  This is the most stripped down, bare bones definition that the Sedevacantist groups would state is incomplete.  If "all Catholics are sedevacantists in times of interregnum", then you should be able prove that the term "sedevacantist" was used to describe Catholics during interregnums prior to Vatican II.  Please show me that proof.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #8 on: December 31, 2022, 09:31:02 AM »
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    Actually, Sean has stated his definition, I believe it was on page 2 of this topic thread.

    "If you believe the man claiming to be pope is an antipope, and furthermore, that nobody else is currently pope, you are by definition sedevacantist (as every sedevacantist will attest)"

    Mr. G, on the other thread, you wrote that Sean stated the above definition of "sedevacantist".  Whereas it is a more precise definition than the one provided by 2Vermont, it is still lacking because it does not provide the cause of one being a "sedevacantist".  The Sedevacantist groups would see this definition as being incomplete as well.
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #9 on: December 31, 2022, 09:35:21 AM »
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    • And still no definition from CatholicKnight.  :fryingpan:
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    Offline Meg

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #10 on: December 31, 2022, 10:45:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on December 31, 2022, 09:16:47 AM
    2Vermont, on the other thread, the above is what you defined as "Sedevacantist".  Do you really expect me to believe that this is your definition of "Sedevacantist"?  This is the most stripped down, bare bones definition that the Sedevacantist groups would state is incomplete.  If "all Catholics are sedevacantists in times of interregnum", then you should be able prove that the term "sedevacantist" was used to describe Catholics during interregnums prior to Vatican II.  Please show me that proof.

    I too asked the question regarding being able to prove that the term "sedevacantist" has been used (by the Church) to describe Catholics during interregnums, but 2Vermont didn't want to respond to the question. That's probably because it's not true. Catholics, to my knowledge, have never been referred to as sedevacantists during an interregnum. Catholics do not suddenly have the qualifier of 'sedevacantist Catholic' just because there's a period of time when there's no pope due to a pope dying, and the necessary time needed for a new pope to be elected.
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    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #11 on: December 31, 2022, 11:33:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on December 31, 2022, 09:31:02 AM
    Mr. G, on the other thread, you wrote that Sean stated the above definition of "sedevacantist".  Whereas it is a more precise definition than the one provided by 2Vermont, it is still lacking because it does not provide the cause of one being a "sedevacantist".  The Sedevacantist groups would see this definition as being incomplete as well.
    But does a definition have to provide a cause? Although it would be helpful to bring more precession to a definition, I am sure that it is not required to be classified as a definition. We can take other "isims" and look at their definitions and see if causes are given, for example Capitalism, Communism, Rationalism, etc. 
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #12 on: December 31, 2022, 12:50:35 PM »
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    • Benedict dies, and all of a sudden nobody can figure out what the word "sedevacantist" means. :laugh2:
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #13 on: December 31, 2022, 03:45:17 PM »
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    • Why are you guys talking like this when we have a pope :confused:


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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #14 on: December 31, 2022, 04:47:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on December 31, 2022, 09:31:02 AM
    Mr. G, on the other thread, you wrote that Sean stated the above definition of "sedevacantist".  Whereas it is a more precise definition than the one provided by 2Vermont, it is still lacking because it does not provide the cause of one being a "sedevacantist".  The Sedevacantist groups would see this definition as being incomplete as well.

    No, every sedevacantist is defined by this alone: 

    The man claiming to be pope is an antipope, and there are no other claimants who are pope.

    Why one believes this to be the case is irrelevant to the fact that it is believed.
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