Author Topic: "Who am I to judge gαy people?" (Read 4604 times)

PatrickG · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:26:48 PM »

I am not a sede-vacantist.* I cannot judge and pronounce the Sovereign Pontiff as a heretic. I am a mere layman and I leave that to a future, traditional Pope and his cardinals. I prefer to consider Francis as God's Vicar on Earth, of course it his duty to condemn the filthy vice of sodomy. Nevertheless, despite the already vigorous efforts of the 'conservatives' to splash on the white-wash, his is another disgraceful Conciliar display - the whole of WYD has been awash with 'em, it's one as of itself.

*I would quote either Bp. Williamson's Idaho conference or Bp. Tissier here:
Fideliter: Yet Archbishop Lefebvre was very reserved about the situation of Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.
Bishop Tissier de Mallerais: That is correct. He said more than once about these popes-about Paul VI from 1976, and about John Paul II, after the prayer meeting of religions at Assisi in 1986 - that he did not exclude the possibility that these popes were not popes, that one day the Church will have to examine their situation, that a future pope and his cardinals might have to pronounce the finding that these men had not been popes. But for himself, he preferred to consider them as popes. This supposes that he did not feel that he possessed sufficient knowledge of the pertinent facts nor the necessary power for making such a judgment. This is of critical importance to bear in mind.
For instance, the abrupt logic of a Fr. Guérard des Lauriers led to the former conclusion: "The pope promulgated a heresy [with religious liberty], hence he is a heretic, hence he is not formally pope." But the wisdom of Archbishop Lefebvre made him feel, to the contrary, that the premises of this reasoning were as shaky as the authority that formulated it, be it that of a theologian or even a bishop.

Fr. Morgan once said that the 'question was one to be answered in the future by a traditional Pope'. Hence, I prefer to consider Pope Francis as the Pope, I cannot pronounce on his status, having neither the knowledge nor the authority to do so, so I leave that matter for a future, traditional Pope to settle.

Poche - I would retract that were I you. You really have gone very much 'off the deep end'.

Matto · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:54:12 PM »

If there weren't any resistance groups such as the SSPX and the CMRI, I think Pope Francis would make me go Orthodox.

PatrickG · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:58:18 PM »

I just read it again and good grief it is appalling. What a stew. The Crisis in the Church is, of course, as bad as it has ever been and in point of fact it is worsening - the SSPX is divided, the Modernists in Rome have elected not only another Modernist but another Modernist who, I feel, is distinctly on the warpath. Mercifully, this sort of thing is torpedoeing the 'Indult' - now it's getting clearer again, Tradition or Modernism - and the possibility of a deal with the Roman Modernists.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Matto

If there weren't any resistance groups such as the SSPX and the CMRI, I think Pope Francis would make me go Orthodox.

Pope Francis would find many in agreement with his own views in the Orthodox Church.

http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia-orthodox-church-bishop-orgies-rape-scandal/24965214.html

"The Serbian Orthodox Church has approved the resignation of a powerful cleric amid sex-scandal claims that culminated this week with the publication of a graphic video appearing to show him engaged in sɛҳuąƖ activity with young men. "

Matto · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2013, 03:10:01 PM »

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

Pope Francis would find many in agreement with his own views in the Orthodox Church.

Not surprising. Filth is spreading everywhere.