Author Topic: "Who am I to judge gαy people?" (Read 3927 times)

poche · « **Reply #15 on:** July 29, 2013, 01:16:28 PM »

the media shouldn't be looking at anyone's NON-CRIMINAL sɛҳuąƖ BEHAVIOR

Too much attention to this falls under the sin of detraction. The same God who said "Do not fornicate," also said, "Do not pass judgement."

"The judgement you pass on others will be the judgement that is passed on to you" - Jesus

Napoli · « **Reply #16 on:** July 29, 2013, 01:23:40 PM »

Poche,

You gave gone of the deep end. I hope you can swim.

:heretic:

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2013, 01:44:55 PM »

Not sure when I can get a signature here, but if I could have one, it would be this:

To adhere to a false Bishop of Rome is to be out of communion with the Church. —St. Cyprian

poche: a Pope doesn't ask "who am I to judge". Did St. Peter just pat Ananias and Sapphira on the back and say, "Hey, I forgive you, your lying is in the past, who cares? Who am I to judge? Just, go and sin no more!"

Absolutely not! They got FRIED ON THE SPOT. Torched! Same bat time, same bat channel (That is, Frank::St. Peter as Ricca::Ananias/Sapphira; when Ananias/Sapphira's past came to light, the H.S. torched these pagans through Peter on the spot. You might question the historicity of Acts, but we KNOW St. Peter wouldn't have patted Ricca on the back and said, "Eh, it's history; fuggedaboutit!"

And there have been loads of righteous Popes who knew real humility (saying the unpopular but truthful thing to save the few who might hear them); who didn't need to win a popularity contest and at the cost of their earthly lives stood by the Truth and the Holy Catholic Faith.

Is it okay to be gαy? To act on it? To overturn your Holy Orders and practice AN ABOMINATION to the scandal of a whole country? No, that's NOT okay, and if a pope says it's okay, he is not part of the Church and is definitely no head of it.

Frank showed his hand.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:09:12 PM »

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That horrible crime, on account of which corrupt and obscene cities were destroyed by fire through divine condemnation, causes us most bitter sorrow and shocks our mind, impelling us to repress such a crime with the greatest possible zeal.

Quite opportunely the Fifth Lateran Council [1512-1517] issued this decree: "Let any member of the clergy caught in that vice against nature, given that the wrath of God falls over the sons of perfidy, be removed from the clerical order or forced to do penance in a monastery" (chap. 4, X, V, 31).

So that the contagion of such a grave offense may not advance with greater audacity by taking advantage of impunity, which is the greatest incitement to sin, and so as to more severely punish the clerics who are guilty of this nefarious crime and who are not frightened by the death of their souls, we determine that they should be handed over to the severity of the secular authority, which enforces civil law.

Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss.

-Pope St. Pius V

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n009rp_ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖPriests.htm

Matto · « **Reply #19 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:19:32 PM »

Quote from: StCeciliasGirl

Pope Francis, making this guy's case:

I would rather follow "Pope" Michael than Pope Francis. At least "Pope" Michael is Catholic.

PatrickG · « **Reply #20 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:26:48 PM »

I am not a sede-vacantist.* I cannot judge and pronounce the Sovereign Pontiff as a heretic. I am a mere layman and I leave that to a future, traditional Pope and his cardinals. I prefer to consider Francis as God's Vicar on Earth, of course it his duty to condemn the filthy vice of sodomy. Nevertheless, despite the already vigorous efforts of the 'conservatives' to splash on the white-wash, his is another disgraceful Conciliar display - the whole of WYD has been awash with 'em, it's one as of itself.

*I would quote either Bp. Williamson's Idaho conference or Bp. Tissier here:
Fideliter: Yet Archbishop Lefebvre was very reserved about the situation of Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.
Bishop Tissier de Mallerais: That is correct. He said more than once about these popes-about Paul VI from 1976, and about John Paul II, after the prayer meeting of religions at Assisi in 1986 - that he did not exclude the possibility that these popes were not popes, that one day the Church will have to examine their situation, that a future pope and his cardinals might have to pronounce the finding that these men had not been popes. But for himself, he preferred to consider them as popes. This supposes that he did not feel that he possessed sufficient knowledge of the pertinent facts nor the necessary power for making such a judgment. This is of critical importance to bear in mind.
For instance, the abrupt logic of a Fr. Guérard des Lauriers led to the former conclusion: "The pope promulgated a heresy [with religious liberty], hence he is a heretic, hence he is not formally pope." But the wisdom of Archbishop Lefebvre made him feel, to the contrary, that the premises of this reasoning were as shaky as the authority that formulated it, be it that of a theologian or even a bishop.

Fr. Morgan once said that the 'question was one to be answered in the future by a traditional Pope'. Hence, I prefer to consider Pope Francis as the Pope, I cannot pronounce on his status, having neither the knowledge nor the authority to do so, so I leave that matter for a future, traditional Pope to settle.

Poche - I would retract that were I you. You really have gone very much 'off the deep end'.

Matto · « **Reply #21 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:54:12 PM »

If there weren't any resistance groups such as the SSPX and the CMRI, I think Pope Francis would make me go Orthodox.

PatrickG · « **Reply #22 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:58:18 PM »

I just read it again and good grief it is appalling. What a stew. The Crisis in the Church is, of course, as bad as it has ever been and in point of fact it is worsening - the SSPX is divided, the Modernists in Rome have elected not only another Modernist but another Modernist who, I feel, is distinctly on the warpath. Mercifully, this sort of thing is torpedoeing the 'Indult' - now it's getting clearer again, Tradition or Modernism - and the possibility of a deal with the Roman Modernists.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #23 on:** July 29, 2013, 02:59:41 PM »

Quote from: Matto

If there weren't any resistance groups such as the SSPX and the CMRI, I think Pope Francis would make me go Orthodox.

Pope Francis would find many in agreement with his own views in the Orthodox Church.

http://www.rferl.org/content/serbia-orthodox-church-bishop-orgies-rape-scandal/24965214.html

"The Serbian Orthodox Church has approved the resignation of a powerful cleric amid sex-scandal claims that culminated this week with the publication of a graphic video appearing to show him engaged in sɛҳuąƖ activity with young men. "

Matto · « **Reply #24 on:** July 29, 2013, 03:10:01 PM »

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

Pope Francis would find many in agreement with his own views in the Orthodox Church.

Not surprising. Filth is spreading everywhere.

Matto · « **Reply #25 on:** July 29, 2013, 03:16:38 PM »

What will be next? "Who am I to judge abortionists"?

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #26 on:** July 29, 2013, 06:51:27 PM »

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant

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That horrible crime, on account of which corrupt and obscene cities were destroyed by fire through divine condemnation, causes us most bitter sorrow and shocks our mind, impelling us to repress such a crime with the greatest possible zeal.

Quite opportunely the Fifth Lateran Council [1512-1517] issued this decree: "Let any member of the clergy caught in that vice against nature, given that the wrath of God falls over the sons of perfidy, be removed from the clerical order or forced to do penance in a monastery" (chap. 4, X, V, 31).

So that the contagion of such a grave offense may not advance with greater audacity by taking advantage of impunity, which is the greatest incitement to sin, and so as to more severely punish the clerics who are guilty of this nefarious crime and who are not frightened by the death of their souls, we determine that they should be handed over to the severity of the secular authority, which enforces civil law.

Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss.

-Pope St. Pius V

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n009rp_ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖPriests.htm

:applause:

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #27 on:** July 29, 2013, 06:52:35 PM »

Quote from: Matto

What will be next? "Who am I to judge abortionists"?

Willful murder is in the same category as this disgusting filth!

s2srea · « **Reply #28 on:** July 29, 2013, 08:12:07 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: TheKnightVigilant
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That horrible crime, on account of which corrupt and obscene cities were destroyed by fire through divine condemnation, causes us most bitter sorrow and shocks our mind, impelling us to repress such a crime with the greatest possible zeal.

Quite opportunely the Fifth Lateran Council [1512-1517] issued this decree: "Let any member of the clergy caught in that vice against nature, given that the wrath of God falls over the sons of perfidy, be removed from the clerical order or forced to do penance in a monastery" (chap. 4, X, V, 31).

So that the contagion of such a grave offense may not advance with greater audacity by taking advantage of impunity, which is the greatest incitement to sin, and so as to more severely punish the clerics who are guilty of this nefarious crime and who are not frightened by the death of their souls, we determine that they should be handed over to the severity of the secular authority, which enforces civil law.

Therefore, wishing to pursue with greater rigor than we have exerted since the beginning of our pontificate, we establish that any priest or member of the clergy, either secular or regular, who commits such an execrable crime, by force of the present law be deprived of every clerical privilege, of every post, dignity and ecclesiastical benefit, and having been degraded by an ecclesiastical judge, let him be immediately delivered to the secular authority to be put to death, as mandated by law as the fitting punishment for laymen who have sunk into this abyss.

-Pope St. Pius V

http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n009rp_ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖPriests.htm

:applause:

I reposted this on FB.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #29 on:** July 29, 2013, 10:06:32 PM »

"For what have I to do to judge them that are without? Do not you judge them that are within? For them that are without, God will judge. Put away the evil one from among yourselves."

1 Corinthians 5:12-13