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Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #180 on: October 05, 2023, 11:14:36 AM »
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  • I would welcome a sabotage of Matt's Ecuмenical kumbaya Novus Ordo lovefest, so that if it came out that it was +Vigano's intent, that would only increase the esteem I have for him.  That would mean that he's rejecting the conservative Novus Ordo wing and going more fully Traditional.

    Really the excuse given by MM is no excuse at all. Vigano is a VIP. VIP's are certainly allowed to submit something last minute. Their gravitas pre-endorses anything they have to say. 

    No, this is absolute censorship cuм an effeminate self-justification blame-throw. Matt protests too much that it is not censorship. Furthermore, if not censorship, then why haven't the video and transcript been emailed to conference attendees, and published on both the Remnant website and the conference website? 

    Or have they?

    Has MM published it in any way? For MM has now had time to read and consider it. How much more lame is his excuse if he has conveniently forgotten to publish it? 

    Clock is ticking........

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #181 on: October 05, 2023, 11:41:22 AM »
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  • Really the excuse given by MM is no excuse at all. Vigano is a VIP. VIP's are certainly allowed to submit something last minute. Their gravitas pre-endorses anything they have to say.

    No, this is absolute censorship cuм an effeminate self-justification blame-throw. Matt protests too much that it is not censorship. Furthermore, if not censorship, then why haven't the video and transcript been emailed to conference attendees, and published on both the Remnant website and the conference website?

    Or have they?

    Has MM published it in any way? For MM has now had time to read and consider it. How much more lame is his excuse if he has conveniently forgotten to publish it?

    Clock is ticking........
    Nope.  I posted there asking why.


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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #182 on: October 05, 2023, 11:43:42 AM »
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  • Nope.  I posted there asking why.

    Meanwhile, while the Remnant comments box has taken a belated turn with an influx of MM defenders, the comment box under the Vigano speech is filling up with people actually discussing the issue (177 at last count):

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-vigano-catholics-must-seriously-consider-the-possibility-that-francis-isnt-the-pope/?utm_source=popular
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #183 on: October 05, 2023, 11:46:55 AM »
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  • Meanwhile, while the Remnant comments box has taken a belated turn with an influx of MM defenders, the comment box under the Vigano speech is filling up with people actually discussing the issue (177 at last count):

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/archbishop-vigano-catholics-must-seriously-consider-the-possibility-that-francis-isnt-the-pope/?utm_source=popular

    Here’s an interesting one:

    John Brace
     
    — 15 hours ago
    On Dec 7, 2020, Abp Viganò warned of the prophecy of Our Lady of La Salette wherein “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.” Bp Schneider noted the “expression about the throne of the Antichrist in Rome in the (original) prayer of Pope Leo XIII is similar to an expression in the secret of La Salette.”

    The public appearance of the Antichrist is preceded by the False Prophet. A number of scriptural exegetes have explained the situation. For example, Fr E Sylvester Berry described the False Prophet in his work ‘The Apocalypse of St John’, 1921, p 138. “There will be a complete organization ─ a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ. Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be honoured as Saviour, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope.”

    The False Prophet is a diabolical type of St John the Baptist who preceded Christ. St John was a voice crying in the wilderness to prepare the way of the Lord, that is, to prepare the Jews to receive their Messiah, Christ. (Mark 1: 3) Similarly, the False Prophet is to prepare the world for the counterfeit, the Antichrist.

    On March 7, 1990, Cardinal Oddi, Prefect for the Congregation of the Clergy, warned “the Blessed Virgin (of Fatima) was alerting us against apostasy in the Church.” Most significantly, Cardinal Mario Ciappi, personal theologian to five popes from 1955 to 1989, revealed in his letter to Professor Baumgartner: “In the Third Secret (of Fatima) it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”

    Christopher Ferrara warned in an article titled ‘Did Saint Francis Predict Pope Francis of a prophecy of St Francis’. “Act bravely, my brethren; take courage and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power … a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death … Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them, not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.” (The Remnant Nov 13, 2017). 

    The counterfeit teachings of Francis lure Catholics into apostasy. Surprisingly on 23 Dec 2016, in an interview with Der Spiegel’s Walter Mayr, he boasted “It is not to be excluded that I will enter history as the one who split the Catholic Church.” 

    The silence of lukewarm-but-orthodox bishops and cardinals prove that Francis is the greatest false-prophet in the history of the Church. Why? Because a false-prophet deceives even the elect, for Our Lord Himself said “false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.” Matthew 24:22.”

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #184 on: October 05, 2023, 05:49:59 PM »
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  • Here’s an interesting one:

    John Brace
     15 hours ago
    On Dec 7, 2020, Abp Viganò warned of the prophecy of Our Lady of La Salette wherein “Rome will lose the Faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.” Bp Schneider noted the “expression about the throne of the Antichrist in Rome in the (original) prayer of Pope Leo XIII is similar to an expression in the secret of La Salette.”

    The public appearance of the Antichrist is preceded by the False Prophet. A number of scriptural exegetes have explained the situation. For example, Fr E Sylvester Berry described the False Prophet in his work ‘The Apocalypse of St John’, 1921, p 138. “There will be a complete organization ─ a church of Satan set up in opposition to the Church of Christ. Satan will assume the part of God the Father; Antichrist will be honoured as Saviour, and his prophet will usurp the role of Pope.”

    The False Prophet is a diabolical type of St John the Baptist who preceded Christ. St John was a voice crying in the wilderness to prepare the way of the Lord, that is, to prepare the Jews to receive their Messiah, Christ. (Mark 1: 3) Similarly, the False Prophet is to prepare the world for the counterfeit, the Antichrist.

    On March 7, 1990, Cardinal Oddi, Prefect for the Congregation of the Clergy, warned “the Blessed Virgin (of Fatima) was alerting us against apostasy in the Church.” Most significantly, Cardinal Mario Ciappi, personal theologian to five popes from 1955 to 1989, revealed in his letter to Professor Baumgartner: “In the Third Secret (of Fatima) it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.”

    Christopher Ferrara warned in an article titled ‘Did Saint Francis Predict Pope Francis of a prophecy of St Francis’. “Act bravely, my brethren; take courage and trust in the Lord. The time is fast approaching in which there will be great trials and afflictions; perplexities and dissensions, both spiritual and temporal, will abound; the charity of many will grow cold, and the malice of the wicked will increase. The devils will have unusual power … a man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the Pontificate, who, by his cunning, will endeavour to draw many into error and death … Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them, not a true Pastor, but a destroyer.” (The Remnant Nov 13, 2017).

    The counterfeit teachings of Francis lure Catholics into apostasy. Surprisingly on 23 Dec 2016, in an interview with Der Spiegel’s Walter Mayr, he boasted “It is not to be excluded that I will enter history as the one who split the Catholic Church.”

    The silence of lukewarm-but-orthodox bishops and cardinals prove that Francis is the greatest false-prophet in the history of the Church. Why? Because a false-prophet deceives even the elect, for Our Lord Himself said “false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.” Matthew 24:22.”

    Neat but ultimately wrong as the other vatican 2 'Popes' were just as bad if not worse.


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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #185 on: October 05, 2023, 08:00:52 PM »
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  • Neat but ultimately wrong as the other vatican 2 'Popes' were just as bad if not worse.

    No, there is only one "Man of Sin," only one "Son of Perdition," only one "Little Horn." Read the Church Fathers. They agree unanimously on this, as Aquinas explains. See his commentary on 2 Thessalonians 2 here:

    https://aquinas.cc/la/en/~2Thess.C1.L2.n26

    That "Man of Sin" is the final "leader" of the Counterfeit Church." He is discussed in Daniel 9:

    24 Seventy weeks ["feasts of weeks"] are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed. 25 Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks ["feasts of weeks"], and sixty-two weeks ["feasts of weeks"]: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times. 26 And after sixty-two weeks ["feasts of weeks"] Christ shall be slain: and the people that shall deny him shall not be his. And a people with their leader that shall come, shall destroy the city and the sanctuary: and the end thereof shall be waste, and after the end of the war the appointed desolation. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week [the final seven year period]: and in the half of the week [half of the final seven year period] the victim and the sacrifice shall fail: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.

    Bergoglio is that "leader" referred to in Daniel 9:26. Start counting years (each year has one "feast of weeks") from 1959. The "feast of weeks" is called "shavuot" aka "Pentecost." We are currently in year 65 of 70.


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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #186 on: October 06, 2023, 12:26:36 AM »
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  • A very Holy priest told me in 2014 that Bergoglio was the little horn



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    2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #189 on: October 06, 2023, 03:52:52 PM »
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  • This is very good.

    I firmly believe that in the years to come the First Vatican Council with be reconvened, and V2 will be anathematized.

    Agreed.  Vatican II will become known as Latroncinium II.

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #190 on: October 07, 2023, 04:30:06 PM »
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  • I haven't seen this posted anywhere else. 

    Inside the mind of the novus ordo...............




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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #191 on: October 09, 2023, 11:11:48 AM »
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  • I have not listened to this, but Catholic Family News brings up the topic of Abp. Viganò: Bergoglio’s Election “Invalidated” Due to Lack of Proper Consent

    Weekly News Roundup: New Dubia, Abp. Viganò on Francis Pontificate, Kevin McCarthy Ousted - Catholic Family News

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #192 on: October 09, 2023, 03:09:29 PM »
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  • Trad 123 I agree.  Vatican I did not finish/ Was it Our Lady Mediatrix to be a dogma?

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #193 on: October 09, 2023, 07:06:36 PM »
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  • I have not listened to this, but Catholic Family News brings up the topic of Abp. Viganò: Bergoglio’s Election “Invalidated” Due to Lack of Proper Consent

    Weekly News Roundup: New Dubia, Abp. Viganò on Francis Pontificate, Kevin McCarthy Ousted - Catholic Family News

    I haven't listened either, but I'm not surprised this is the talking point being picked up by the conservative NO. The more thought I give to it, the more I see a problem with this line of thinking. It keeps the question squarely within the subjective order, focusing on the claimant rather than on the beast system now firmly in place. 

    I did listen to the entire video which I posted just above. It was horrible hearing them wax schizophrenic: wringing hands for Bergoglio and clapping hands for JPII. Dxcat40 made a good point about pretty much the entire body of novus ordos and most trads (I paraphrase him) continuing to go along with the beast system no matter how much iron clad evidence is splashed in their faces.  

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #194 on: October 10, 2023, 09:48:04 AM »
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  • Trad 123 I agree.  Vatican I did not finish/ Was it Our Lady Mediatrix to be a dogma?

    I believe it would have gone into some more depth about Catholic ecclesiology.  Who knows, perhaps it would have even resolved the heretical pope issue.  And perhaps it was God's will that it not settle that question so that we Trads would have something to argue about and keep us busy/distracted.

    :laugh1:

    It may also have gone into more depth about what constitutes membership in the Church and therefore shut down what Vatican II ended up doing to Catholic ecclesiology.  But, again, God willed to allow the Vatican II crisis, and perhaps the same conspirators started the Franco-Prussian war precisely to cut that off.  Recall that this war erupted the very next day after Session I concluded with the promulgation of Pastor Aeternus.