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Offline songbird

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Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #135 on: October 03, 2023, 05:49:28 PM »
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    • Lifesite news leans and supports the new order.  they write about the new order so-called clergy as being good.  The did this with Bishop Olmsted and he was so rotten! and still is.  Lifesite news and Human Life International said Bishop Olmstsed was so Pro-Life, lies!  He and like others are so Pro Catholic Charities with their fed. grant programs full of Planned Parenthood to Homo sɛҳuąƖ groups with $$$!!!
    All of the New Order, are No good!  Don't you see?  They mock the Precious Blood of Christ at what they call a Mass. They bring NO life to their "table", no life for the souls, they are so far from Pro-life. They are ALL Imposters!!
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #136 on: October 03, 2023, 06:13:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on October 02, 2023, 05:23:14 PM
    Why can't we all just get along and Unite the Clams?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1708937115176718657
    Homage to Fr. Cekada, RIP? Perfect.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #137 on: October 03, 2023, 06:26:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 01, 2023, 05:31:03 PM
    The problem with his line of reasoning is...how does he prove what Bergoglio's intent was at the time of his election? 
    Dear 2Vermont,

    Look at Bergoglio's hidden hand when he entered the loggia balcony immediately following his "selection".  That should prove where his loyalty lies.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #138 on: October 03, 2023, 06:29:55 PM »
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    • Fr. Paul Kramer made the following comment on Facebook regarding the reason Archbishop Vigano holds that Jorge Bergoglio is not pope:

    "His reason is fundamentally that Bergoglio's heresy disqualifies him from holding the papal munus in the Catholic Church, and that he is the pope of a different church. In this he is entirely correct."

    I am not sure how "defect of consent" as the key reason stated by Archbishop Vigano relates to Bergoglio's heresy.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #139 on: October 03, 2023, 09:04:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on October 03, 2023, 05:49:28 PM
    Lifesite news leans and supports the new order.

    Sure, because NO "conservatives" vastly outnumber Traditional Catholics.  $$$
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #140 on: October 04, 2023, 08:41:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 03, 2023, 06:29:55 PM
    Fr. Paul Kramer made the following comment on Facebook regarding the reason Archbishop Vigano holds that Jorge Bergoglio is not pope:

    "His reason is fundamentally that Bergoglio's heresy disqualifies him from holding the papal munus in the Catholic Church, and that he is the pope of a different church. In this he is entirely correct."

    I am not sure how "defect of consent" as the key reason stated by Archbishop Vigano relates to Bergoglio's heresy.

    Fr. Kramer clarifies:

    "His argument (i.e., Archbishop Vigano's) is that the heresy regarding the constitution of the Church and the nature of the papacy renders him (i.e., Jorge Bergoglio) incapable of consenting to receive the Petrine munus."
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #141 on: October 04, 2023, 09:31:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 04, 2023, 08:41:00 AM
    Fr. Kramer clarifies:

    "His argument (i.e., Archbishop Vigano's) is that the heresy regarding the constitution of the Church and the nature of the papacy renders him (i.e., Jorge Bergoglio) incapable of consenting to receive the Petrine munus."
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    Yup. Works for me! :cowboy:

    (I wish Vigano would think about this a little harder and realize how this type of argument applies to more white-clad people than just Bergoglio, though.)
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #142 on: October 04, 2023, 11:14:28 AM »
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    • Recent post over at the Remnant combox...hilarious:

    Resource for Catholic Parents to Aid in the Handling of Awkward Questions from Family Members, Especially Children, on Whether Jorge Mario Bergoglio is Truly Pope
    Some suggested possible answers:
    "No"
    "Yes"
    "Don't you have some homework to do?"
    "Not now dear, I'm trying to organize a conference"
    "Have you been listening to that Archbishop Vigano again?"
    "We don't discuss sede.....whatever it is.......around here"
    "What am I.......a lawyer?"
    "This is very short notice, dear. I'll need that in writing two weeks in advance of any further discussion on this matter"
    "Hey.......how 'bout them Dawgs!!?" (For those who live in Georgia, like me).

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #143 on: October 04, 2023, 11:18:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 04, 2023, 11:14:28 AM
    Recent post over at the Remnant combox...hilarious:

    Resource for Catholic Parents to Aid in the Handling of Awkward Questions from Family Members, Especially Children, on Whether Jorge Mario Bergoglio is Truly Pope
    Some suggested possible answers:
    "No"
    "Yes"
    "Don't you have some homework to do?"
    "Not now dear, I'm trying to organize a conference"
    "Have you been listening to that Archbishop Vigano again?"
    "We don't discuss sede.....whatever it is.......around here"
    "What am I.......a lawyer?"
    "This is very short notice, dear. I'll need that in writing two weeks in advance of any further discussion on this matter"
    "Hey.......how 'bout them Dawgs!!?" (For those who live in Georgia, like me).

    Just another example of the divison that sedes cause. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #144 on: October 04, 2023, 11:24:12 AM »
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    • This talking head who calls himself Council of Trent to me is defending
    Bergolio.

    https://youtu.be/mCdO-ZyJS6I?si=5j56qRReaSs04uQM

    Yea, we had bad popes in past who should have been removed.  However, the laity kept the faith and most didn’t even know what was going on in Rome.  These recent Popes should have never been sainted.  It was all church communist politics. 

    What makes Bergolio unique is that he has corrupted most Catholics around the world with his errors and mistakes.  He condones mortal sin.  He is a man of the world.  The world loves him.  He worships pachamama aka Mother Nature.  He answers to a global communist government who have made billions off of murdering people and destroying the earth. He hangs out with the rich and the corrupt while he sissy slaps real Christians.  

    This is not Christianity.  It’s paganism.   Thou shall not worship false idols. And we are to distance ourselves from evil. 

    St Peter  repented of his sins. 



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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #145 on: October 04, 2023, 12:11:44 PM »
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    • Bergolio meets and dialogues with devil worshippers who should be publicly corrected.  But he says who is he to judge.  Bergolio only judges true Christian’s.

    Vatican II had help from radical liberal Protestants. 

    There are many who infiltrated the Church.  Bella Dodd and Archbishop Fulton Sheen warned us.  Communist Infiltrators were put in to destroy the Church from the inside. 

    These are not  huge “mistakes”.  These plans are intentional.    Most Catholics don’t know their faith.  Bergolio and his friends plan on a Church without God. 

    Read and comprehend your douay Rheim bibles.

    Christ is King of the Universe.  Not man. 



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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #146 on: October 04, 2023, 12:18:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 04, 2023, 12:11:44 PM
    Bergolio meets and dialogues with devil worshippers who should be publicly corrected.  But he says who is he to judge.  Bergolio only judges true Christian’s.

    Vatican II had help from radical liberal Protestants. 

    There are many who infiltrated the Church.  Bella Dodd and Archbishop Fulton Sheen warned us.  Communist Infiltrators were put in to destroy the Church from the inside. 

    These are not  huge “mistakes”.  These plans are intentional.    Most Catholics don’t know their faith.  Bergolio and his friends plan on a Church without God. 

    Read and comprehend your douay Rheim bibles.

    Christ is King of the Universe.  Not man.
    Viva, your last 2 posts on this thread are excellent.

    I stand by my assertion last year that Bergoglio is The False Prophet.  
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #147 on: October 04, 2023, 03:29:28 PM »
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    VIGANO: This situation is humanly irremediable, because the forces at play are immense and because the corruption of Authority cannot be healed by those who are subject to it. We must take note that the metastasis of this "pontificate" originates from the conciliar cancer, from that Vatican II which created the ideological, doctrinal, and disciplinary bases that inevitably had to lead to this point. But how many of my confreres, who also recognize the gravity of the current crisis, have the ability to recognize this causal link between the conciliar revolution and its extreme consequences with Bergoglio?

    Money line.

    And a solid correction of the "Altman Error."  
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #148 on: October 04, 2023, 03:38:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 01, 2023, 04:40:03 PM
    I can see part of deligitimizing Jorge as being a tactical maneuver.  Once people come to accept that Jorge is a non-pope, they might then be open to questioning Roncalli et al. in the same light and according to the same principles.  I KNOW that +Vigano realizes that the problem did not start with Jorge, ever since his groundbreaking piece where he disagreed with +Schneider by arguing that V2 was unsalvageable and had to be thrown into the trash bin.

    I have no doubt whatsoever that Roncalli, Montini, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger were not simply men whose minds were contaminated by Modernism, poor misguided (yet sincere) souls, but that they were enemy agents, infiltrators, and, as +Vigano says of Jorge, had a deliberate malicious agenda to destroy the Church.

    If Vigano does nothing else, he is to be commended for putting the "animus delendi" talking point into circulation. Now we are getting somewhere. The comparison with nullity in the marriage context is strikingly probative. 
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #149 on: October 04, 2023, 03:39:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 01, 2023, 05:31:03 PM
    The problem with his line of reasoning is...how does he prove what Bergoglio's intent was at the time of his election? 

    The same way you do it in law, namely by prior and subsequent actions. 
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