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Offline Catholic Knight

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Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #90 on: October 02, 2023, 03:22:40 PM »
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #91 on: October 02, 2023, 05:04:47 PM »
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    • I saw half of it. Michael Matt claims at the time he posted this defense of himself, he hadn't even seen the Vigano video or read the statement. Highly unlikely
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #92 on: October 02, 2023, 05:06:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2023, 01:37:07 PM
    He said what the Church should do in the case of a heretical Pope?
    No- that the Church was "over" in a natural sense.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #93 on: October 02, 2023, 05:19:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on October 02, 2023, 05:04:47 PM
    I saw half of it. Michael Matt claims at the time he posted this defense of himself, he hadn't even seen the Vigano video or read the statement. Highly unlikely
    He's basically accusing Vigano of not playing by the Conference rules.  So, it's Matt vs Vigano.

    Oh, and the division Satan card!  Those sedes!  :laugh1:

    Cry me a river.  Something about all of this smells to high Heaven.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #94 on: October 02, 2023, 05:23:14 PM »
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    • Why can't we all just get along and Unite the Clams?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1708937115176718657
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #95 on: October 02, 2023, 05:25:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 02, 2023, 05:19:35 PM
    He's basically accusing Vigano of not playing by the Conference rules.  So, it's Matt vs Vigano.

    Oh, and the division Satan card!  Those sedes!  :laugh1:

    Cry me a river.  Something about all of this smells to high Heaven.
    Wow- the Satan card is even worse than the h0Ɩ0cαųst Card! From one "Clans"men to another, even!
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #96 on: October 02, 2023, 07:06:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 02, 2023, 03:22:40 PM
    Michael Matt explains himself:

    https://x.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1708926355528699925?s=20

    Mm’s explanations temper my reaction somewhat.  I see where he’s coming from.

    Yet I can’t help think that if the CIC was more concerned with truth than unity, perhaps Vigano might still have found a seat at the table.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #97 on: October 02, 2023, 07:48:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 02, 2023, 03:22:40 PM
    Michael Matt explains himself:

    https://x.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1708926355528699925?s=20
    Thank you for posting CK.
    As often happens, we hasten to judge (the person) when we ought not.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #98 on: October 02, 2023, 08:07:01 PM »
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    • Unless I'm missing it, another prominent member of the Clans of the CIC -LifeSiteNews- has nowhere aired Vigano's speech.

    So the CIC has achieved MM's unity: All the Clans are censoring Vigano.

    Why is it that truth always suffers at the expense of unity?
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #99 on: October 02, 2023, 08:10:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on October 02, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
    Thank you for posting CK.
    As often happens, we hasten to judge (the person) when we ought not.
    And why should anyone believe Matt's story regarding Vigano?

    Regardless, he's still a coward.  Why?  Because he was more concerned about Strickland and Schneider's feeeelings and the "success" of his pet conference than allowing Vigano to speak scary words.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #100 on: October 02, 2023, 08:14:44 PM »
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    • So far Taylor Marshall has made no mention of the Vigano statement, even though he has a constant presence on X( twitter) . I guess he is waiting to see which way the wind is blowing before he weighs in . Typical
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #101 on: October 02, 2023, 08:25:21 PM »
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    • Wait- why should a contrary opinion of another prelate be so damaging that they needed to be “protected” from Vigano’s statement? No one was forcing his views on them . The audience deserved to hear from the Archbishop and critically weigh his position . Just being at this conference does not bode any priest or bishop well under Bergoglioism, so what’s the big deal? It doesn’t change the face of their  R and R stance if that’s what they subscribe to . It would have made them a bit more magnanimous towards the other clans is all - lol. I think they fear that the dominoes will too easily fall if exposed, and apparently Trad Inc still needs it to stand.Vigano is a big domino
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #102 on: October 02, 2023, 08:39:47 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on October 02, 2023, 08:25:21 PM
    Wait- why should a contrary opinion of another prelate be so damaging that they needed to be “protected” from Vigano’s statement? No one was forcing his views on them . The audience deserved to hear from the Archbishop and critically weigh his position . Just being at this conference does not bode any priest or bishop well under Bergoglioism, so what’s the big deal? It doesn’t change the face of their  R and R stance if that’s what they subscribe to . It would have made them a bit more magnanimous towards the other clans is all - lol. I think they fear that the dominoes will too easily fall if exposed, and apparently Trad Inc still needs it to stand.Vigano is a big domino

    There are 2 R&R's.

    One looks like this: Rr (Big on "recognize;" but little "resist").  That's the CIC, indult, neo-SSPX.

    The other looks like this: rR (Little "recognize;" but big on "resist").  That's the Resistance.

    The former is more concerned with unity; the latter with truth.

    That's why they'll forever be oil and water (and MM doesn't want that oil polluting his water).
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #103 on: October 02, 2023, 08:56:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2023, 02:01:55 PM
    You claim that the magistrium is the voice of God, and (thus) not capable of leading the entire Church into error. How does this work, exactly? Especially when Our Lord set up his Church to be run by men, who can err?
    Wow! That is the sort of question one would hear from a Protestant. The Magisterium is, yes, the voice of the Holy Ghost active in and through the teaching office of the Church as held by the Pope alone as well as the universal episcopate when teaching with and under the Pope. Even the schismatic Orthodox uphold the authority and infallibility of the teaching office of bishops according their deformed notion of synodal sobornost.
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    Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
    « Reply #104 on: October 02, 2023, 09:08:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on October 02, 2023, 03:22:40 PM
    Michael Matt explains himself:

    https://x.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1708926355528699925?s=20
    M-O-N-E-Y. That is what MM is really admitting, that the Trad Inc. cash flow is the motivation in suppressing Viganò's video.

    And never forget that The Remnant stood against the 1988 Episcopal Consecrations. I do believe that Walter Matt took his family to Eastern Catholic parishes in the 1970s and 80s rather than to the SSPX chapel in the Twin Cities. Please correct that if I am wrong.
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