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Offline 2Vermont

Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #70 on: October 02, 2023, 12:29:28 PM »
Quote from: cebu on October 02, 2023, 11:55:15 AM
So much for Michael Matt and his "Unite the Clans" baloney. And he boots out Abp Vigano because he doesn't like what he says and may lose some income stream! 
His "Unite the Clans" never permitted sedevacantists of any stripe.  
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #71 on: October 02, 2023, 12:33:49 PM »
Can anyone confirm +Fellay was present at this conference?

If so, it would have been interesting to read his facial expressions, had MM allowed Viganò’s speech to be played.

A friend says he’d have had a stroke. 

Cebu’s comment (a few posts above) highlights the irony of holding a conference under the pretext of uniting the clans, then censoring one of them.

Novus Ordo conservatives, indultarians, and conciliar/neo-SSPX will all unite (aren’t they already United?), but sedes, Resistance, independents, these must not be involved.

PS: Was the speech sidelined because Fellay would have been embarrassed to have people seeing Vigano speaking like Lefebvre, while he remains branded, or did the content simply scare MM?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #72 on: October 02, 2023, 12:57:55 PM »
Quote from: Meg on October 02, 2023, 12:21:06 PM
It does seem that the situation is beyond human reasoning, and yet we still try to reason it out, each of us with our own opinion on the matter.

But the important issue for sedevacantists is that we can't throw the Papacy under the bus in order to salvage Bergoglio.  Vatican I taught that the Holy See has ever remained unblemished by error.  If Vatican II did not blemish the Holy See with error, then there's no such thing.

Vatican I Pastor Aeternus:
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Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this See of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2023, 01:00:35 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 02, 2023, 12:33:49 PM
Can anyone confirm +Fellay was present at this conference?

If so, it would have been interesting to read his facial expressions, had MM allowed Viganò’s speech to be played.

A friend says he’d have had a stroke. 

Cebu’s comment (a few posts above) highlights the irony of holding a conference under the pretext of uniting the clans, then censoring one of them.

Novus Ordo conservatives, indultarians, and conciliar/neo-SSPX will all unite (aren’t they already United?), but sedes, Resistance, independents, these must not be involved.

PS: Was the speech sidelined because Fellay would have been embarrassed to have people seeing Vigano speaking like Lefebvre, while he remains branded, or did the content simply scare MM?

Yes, that would have been humorous to watch +Fellay squirm.

See, even those who adhere to the Catejan/JST position realize that that the declaration of Bergoglio as a heretic has to begin SOMEwhere.  At first it would be a few, then it would be more, who begin to hold him as alien to the faith and as a non-Catholic.
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: "Vitium Consensus" - Archbishop Vigano - Catholic Identity Conference 2023
« Reply #74 on: October 02, 2023, 01:26:49 PM »
Quote from: cebu on October 02, 2023, 11:55:15 AM
So much for Michael Matt and his "Unite the Clans" baloney. And he boots out Abp Vigano because he doesn't like what he says and may lose some income stream! 
It's not about uniting the clans, it's about collecting the CLAMS!
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