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Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
« Reply #225 on: November 07, 2019, 11:11:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on November 05, 2019, 06:14:49 PM
    This is interesting.  I personally believe that not only were these men occult heretics ... but even deliberate conscious infiltrators, enemy agents, bent on attempting to destroy the Church.  They would of course deliberately try to keep their heresy occult so that they could wreak even more havoc.

    This is actually a very interesting question overall.  If I'm a deliberate agent of destruction, but I keep my heresy occult, could I go define a dogma that's erroneous (on purpose)?

    Of course, I think that there's enough public evidence about these men to suggest that it's quite possible, even probable, they they were infiltrators.  Given that positive doubt, this puts the into the papa dubius state.

    Ladislaus,

    I am not overly familiar with the sedeprivationist position, but it seems to me to recognize obvious facts (e.g., Francis is in material possession of the See of Peter, and was elected and designated as such by the proper and legitimate authority, the Cardinals of the Catholic Church in proper procedure). It seems to accord with what I have referred to as a de facto/de jure distinction in the V2 pontiffs as to whether they are pope, but with more precision. I plan on reading up on the thesis, starting with Bishop Sanborn.

    I think pondering the issue of occult heretics and their place in the Church - having both a material (the body of the Church, of which they must be treated by men as members, as St. Robert notes) and a formal or spiritual dimension (whether they have the inner, spiritual bond with Christ that only comes with the Catholic faith) - perhaps dovetails nicely with the sedeprivationist understanding and lends some conceptual support to it.

    But I have some study to do.

    The issue of whether some (or all) of the V2 popes were purposely occult heretics by design to subvert the Church is deep and fascinating, and I could see a good argument made for some of them rather easily - John XXIII, Paul VI, for example.

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #226 on: November 07, 2019, 12:38:59 PM »
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    • Montinians such as Kramer are among the deceived.
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    « Reply #227 on: November 07, 2019, 10:30:14 PM »
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    • I like this old EC which was "enhanced" with the use of pictures!





    Posted by dxv515 June 06, 2013

     
     Bishop Williamson On The False Prophet Fr. Paul Kramer & WWIII

    Priscilla
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    And many false prophets shall rise, and shall seduce many. Mt.xx.xi.
     
     Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. i.Jn.iv.I.


     Fasten Seatbelts
    Eleison Comments XIX 2007
     
     
    Prepare to fasten your seat-belts for the year 2008! It is always risky to announce dates for dramatic events in the future, because if they do not then happen, the doom-dater has only discredited himself. However, there is a triple convergence for next year which may be at least an “orange alert.”
     

     First and foremost there is the pressure building towards a Third World War, which may well be the beginning of the long-deserved chastisement of a globe turning its back on God. On the side of the United States there is an insane pressure group beating the war-drums for an attack upon Iran, when more and more now know that the disastrous attack upon Iraq was only made possible by fraud (9/11) and lies (WMD). On the side of Russia, President Putin has backed his good reasons for condemning any such attack with the threat to resist it.
     

     But the West’s vile media silence the reasons and step up the war-drums. President Bush announces he wishes to “prevent Iran’s nuclear capacity” before he leaves office – end of 2008 – and in 2007 we see a mounting economic and financial crisis within the USA and in the world which risks presenting him no later than 2008 with a virtually irresistible temptation to “busy giddy minds with foreign quarrels” (H-IV, Pt II).
     

     Secondly, two years ago Fr. Paul Kramer quoted in the “Fatima Crusader” a German priest (living) who may be privileged with prophetic gifts from Heaven, and who has foretold 2008 as the year for the outbreak of WWIII.
     

     Thirdly, one of the four girls from Northern Spain who saw Our Lady in Garabandal many times between 1962 and 1965 is reportedly giving March and April of 2008 as the months of the Great Warning and Great Miracle respectively. We shall see.
     

     The prophecy from Germany and report from Spain are worth no more than they are worth (nor less), but the realities from the USA and Russia are for real. It does no harm to take a little more seriously still our constant need to “pray without ceasing” (I Thess. V, 17). Kyrie Eleison.
     
     Bishop Richard Williamson

    La Reja, Argentina


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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #228 on: November 08, 2019, 04:21:43 AM »
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    • Endoplasmic Recticulum is obviously hallucinating when he says I'm a "Montinian". Too many psychadelic mushrooms, it seems.
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    « Reply #229 on: November 14, 2019, 02:19:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Alan on October 01, 2019, 04:36:01 AM
    There is no book review for this book on Amazon.com. Why hasn't anybody here done a review?
    UPDATE: There is now 1 review on Amazon:
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    October 5, 2019
    Format: Paperback
    This title is so very important to help answer the many questions about how the current occupant of the papacy, Francis I, can be working to lead the Catholic Church astray! Fr. Kramer has given us a magnificent, scholarly text to help us navigate these troubled times we are living through as Catholics. So many of us are totally dismayed about the novelties Francis is trying to introduce into the Church's life and teaching. Fr. Kramer helps us see why it is important for the faithful to ignore and resist all these errors and remain faithful to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Faith - regarding doctrine and morals. Fr. Kramer helps us see why Francis does not have the "grace of office" - and his false teachings are thus lacking in authority and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #230 on: November 14, 2019, 03:55:06 PM »
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    • "PaxChristi2", "Pax Vobis", John Salza, Robert Siscoe:

    The fact that no theologian or canonist on earth has ever taught that heresy is in its nature a crime would give pause to them to assert this theological-canonical monstrosity; but these fanatical legalist-fundamentalists are so blindly entrenched in their errors, that they seem to have become impervious to reason itself. Their error is as crude as saying that since Peter is white, therefore white is Peter -- Since what defines heresy falls within the parameters of the definition of a crime; crime therefore pertains to the nature of heresy! However, that which defines "crime" does not fall within the definition of heresy -- ERGO: Heresy is a crime because it falls within the defining parameters of a crime; but it is not in its nature a crime; because what defines "crime" does not fall within the definition of heresy. They still don't get it -- "Duh?"
         So, they perform an amputation of words on Fr. Charles Augustine's exposition on the nature of a crime, inverting his meaning to at least make it appear that the great scholar of canon law agrees with them. I provided the missing texts which expose their fraud, along with the exposition on the same canon in the Salamanca commentary. Ultimately  what they don't grasp is that even if heresy in its nature were an ecclesiastical delict (absurd on its face as that would be!), it would still sever one from the body of the Church by itself, suapte natura, without any judgment by the Church, because heresy is an act that by its nature separates the heretic from membership in the Church, as Mystici Corporis teaches, and St. Thomas explains exactly why, and the Fathers taught in unison (as Bellarmine explained); and ERGO: Heresy severs the juridical bond of membership in the Church ipso jure, and therefore without any penalty, declaration, or any act "by legitimate authority", which would be required for all other crimes to provoke a separation from membership in the Church (as Pius XII teaches in Mystici Corporis).
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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #231 on: November 14, 2019, 05:26:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mr G on November 14, 2019, 02:19:13 PM
    UPDATE: There is now 1 review on Amazon:
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    October 5, 2019
    Format: Paperback
    This title is so very important to help answer the many questions about how the current occupant of the papacy, Francis I, can be working to lead the Catholic Church astray! Fr. Kramer has given us a magnificent, scholarly text to help us navigate these troubled times we are living through as Catholics. So many of us are totally dismayed about the novelties Francis is trying to introduce into the Church's life and teaching. Fr. Kramer helps us see why it is important for the faithful to ignore and resist all these errors and remain faithful to the traditional teaching of the Catholic Faith - regarding doctrine and morals. Fr. Kramer helps us see why Francis does not have the "grace of office" - and his false teachings are thus lacking in authority and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.


    We already know that we have to avoid and resist the errors of Francis. Why do we need permission from Fr. Kramer? He's hardy the first one to resist the errors of a Modernist Pope. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29
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