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Offline Don Paolo

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Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2019, 12:53:11 PM »
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    • Alexandria says, "That's a lot of money to shell out for a book that is just going to repeat what I already know and read elsewhere. "

         How would you know if a book you have not read would just repeat what you already know and have read elsewhere? What makes you so sure it won't present new arguments and quote authors you haven't read?
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    Offline Alexandria

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #61 on: October 01, 2019, 01:05:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Don Paolo on October 01, 2019, 12:53:11 PM
    Alexandria says, "That's a lot of money to shell out for a book that is just going to repeat what I already know and read elsewhere. "

         How would you know if a book you have not read would just repeat what you already know and have read elsewhere? What makes you so sure it won't present new arguments and quote authors you haven't read?
    What do you work for the MSM taking quotes out of context?
    That's why I asked if anyone here has read it.  If they tell me what is in it, and I find it is just the same old stuff I've been reading since the sixties, why should I buy it?
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    Offline songbird

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #62 on: October 01, 2019, 02:00:46 PM »
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    • I agree with the research of Don Paolo.  Nothing can be worse than Total Apostasy.  It is made clear when these Secret Jews down on a vestment and say the Blasphemous Mess New Order.  Nothing can be worse and I agree that they "lose" office.  

    Now next question to Don Paolo:  Supplied Jurisdiction.
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    Offline Mr G

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #63 on: October 01, 2019, 02:10:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Alexandria on October 01, 2019, 01:05:46 PM
    What do you work for the MSM taking quotes out of context?
    That's why I asked if anyone here has read it.  If they tell me what is in it, and I find it is just the same old stuff I've been reading since the sixties, why should I buy it?
    1.) How would anyone of us know exactly what you have read and comprehended since the 1960's? 
    2.) You can find a brief amount of the material here: https://www.sjmfatimacrusade.com/articles
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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #64 on: October 01, 2019, 02:21:49 PM »
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    • Fr. Kramer is a Novus Ordoite pretending to reject the Novus Ordo. Benedict the Deceiver is more dangerous than Francis the Destroyer, but Kramer still calls Benedict the pope. Benedict is of the new religion through and through and Kramer champions him.
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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #65 on: October 01, 2019, 02:23:53 PM »
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    • ...so count Fr. Kramer as among the elect being deceived.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #66 on: October 01, 2019, 03:37:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Syracuse on October 01, 2019, 02:21:49 PM
    Fr. Kramer is a Novus Ordoite pretending to reject the Novus Ordo. Benedict the Deceiver is more dangerous than Francis the Destroyer, but Kramer still calls Benedict the pope. Benedict is of the new religion through and through and Kramer champions him.

    Yeah, I'm not seeing how Francis is a heretic while Benedict is not.  As Cardinal Kasper recently admitted, there's no substantial difference in their theology.
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    As one of the major protagonists of the Francis papacy - and arguably of the Catholic Church since Vatican II - German Cardinal Walter Kasper argues, “there is no real substantial difference between Pope Benedict and Pope Francis.”

    “They are different personalities of course, different backgrounds,” said Kasper. “One is European, the other comes from Latin America. [But] if you read exactly what they write, it’s the same line and substance.”

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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #67 on: October 01, 2019, 05:43:25 PM »
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    • I do not agree with the mush-brained Kaspar that there's no difference between Benedict and Bergolio. I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that Benedict has outgrown many of the errors he espoused as a peretus 50 years ago. I think that throughout his pontificate he tried in various ways to walk back some of the horrific damage done by Vatican II. He issued the motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм, and affirmed that the TLM had never been juridically abrogated. Also, he has never been corrected by cardinals or been given dubia to respond to. On the other hand, Bergoglio is clearly not just a heretic but a pertinacious, public heretic, with unprecedented heresies and blasphemies that are in your face in an unprecedented and almost unbelievable way. It's like equating a purse-snatcher with a cutthroat who takes his victim's purses. Yes, they both steal purses, but that doesn't make them the same.

    As for Benedict's approval of "Francis," I tend to think that Benedict is most likely a prisoner in the Vatican, and under coercion, the same coercion that was used to make him "resign" -- but he did it using language that that he KNEW would invalidate the apparent resignation (retaining, in writing, the Petrine munus).
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    « Reply #68 on: October 01, 2019, 08:51:47 PM »
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    • Kaspar said:  

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    “They are different personalities of course, different backgrounds,” said Kasper. “One is European, the other comes from Latin America. [But] if you read exactly what they write, it’s the same line and substance.”

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    It's like equating a purse-snatcher with a cutthroat who takes his victim's purses. Yes, they both steal purses, but that doesn't make them the same.

    Both Kaspar and MiserereMeiDeus are saying the same thing.  Benedict and Francis get the same result (your purse is gone), but just 2 different methods.  Benedict is like the cunning, often charming con-man who walks away with your purse while you're not looking.  Francis is just a thug who sticks a knife in your face and grabs the purse from you violently and runs off.  Sure, Benedict is a "nicer guy" but who cares?  Your purse is still gone.
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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #69 on: October 02, 2019, 02:57:50 AM »
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    • In the manner identical to that of the deliberate deceivers and verbal con artists, John Salza & Robert Siscoe, Pax Vobis claims there's no difference between Benedict and Francis. This conclusion is based on ignorance of the canonical indicia founded on the jurisprudence of the Roman Church developed over many centuries. Based on the indicia of heresy, Francis can be judged with absolute certitude to be an obstinate formal heretic. The indicia against Benedict do not conclusively lead to the same judgment.
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    « Reply #70 on: October 02, 2019, 06:36:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Don Paolo on October 02, 2019, 02:57:50 AM
    In the manner identical to that of the deliberate deceivers and verbal con artists, John Salza & Robert Siscoe, Pax Vobis claims there's no difference between Benedict and Francis. This conclusion is based on ignorance of the canonical indicia founded on the jurisprudence of the Roman Church developed over many centuries. Based on the indicia of heresy, Francis can be judged with absolute certitude to be an obstinate formal heretic. The indicia against Benedict do not conclusively lead to the same judgment.
    For most people, neither are heretics, to most trads, they are both the heretics, albeit one being more obviously heretical than the other - which obviously makes the one who is less obvious that much more dangerous.

    Your attempting to convince us ignoramuses that the less obvious heretic is actually the real pope, as if between the two heretics, that it somehow means something, is futile because we are ignorant "of the canonical indicia founded on the jurisprudence of the Roman Church developed over many centuries"  and instead, only see things as they are.




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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #71 on: October 02, 2019, 07:00:41 AM »
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    • Stubnorn assumes as a premise that Ratzinger is a heretic as "heretic" is defined in canon law (CIC 1917 Canon 1325); but has not based this opinion on the canonical indicia which must be the foundation for such a judgment to be conclusively made with certitude. Without such certitude, there is only a founded suspicion, which does not suffice to justify a judgment of guilt.
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    « Reply #72 on: October 02, 2019, 08:01:14 AM »
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    In the manner identical to that of the deliberate deceivers and verbal con artists, John Salza & Robert Siscoe, Pax Vobis claims there's no difference between Benedict and Francis.

    So you're defending +Benedict?  Wow!  I have no confidence in anything you say then.  You have no Trad credibility. 
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    For the record, Salza/Siscoe are pro new-sspx so they have no Trad credibility with me, either.  However, I do agree with their overall point (which lines up with John of St Thomas) that a Church declaration of some type is needed before there can be unity in the Church over who is/isn't a heretic, especially when we're dealing with the pope.
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    « Reply #73 on: October 02, 2019, 08:03:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Don Paolo on October 02, 2019, 07:00:41 AM
    Stubnorn assumes as a premise that Ratzinger is a heretic as "heretic" is defined in canon law (CIC 1917 Canon 1325); but has not based this opinion on the canonical indicia which must be the foundation for such a judgment to be conclusively made with certitude. Without such certitude, there is only a founded suspicion, which does not suffice to justify a judgment of guilt.
    No, it's much simpler then that for me and I suspect for most trads. I don't use the canon law definition of heretic, rather, I just go by what he says and does - if it’s contrary to the faith, its heresy.



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    Re: "To Deceive the Elect" by Fr. Paul Kramer now available
    « Reply #74 on: October 02, 2019, 08:23:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on October 01, 2019, 02:00:46 PM
    I agree with the research of Don Paolo.  Nothing can be worse than Total Apostasy.  It is made clear when these Secret Jews down on a vestment and say the Blasphemous Mess New Order.  Nothing can be worse and I agree that they "lose" office.  

    Now next question to Don Paolo:  Supplied Jurisdiction.

    I for one consider it most likely that, beginning with Roncalli, the papal claimants have all been conscious agents of the Masons/Communists/Jews, deliberately working to destroy the Church.
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