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Offline Mr G

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"THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
« on: March 29, 2018, 10:01:02 AM »
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  • https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/03/there-is-no-hell-new-francis-revelation.html

    In another informal interview with Italian atheist journalist (and founder of liberal newspaper Repubblica) Eugenio Scalfari, published today, Pope Francis reveals that "hell does not exist".

     His exact words below (full interview behind paywall here, most important excerpt below):



    Title of the interview: "It is an honor for me to be called revolutionary."

    Excerpt on hell:

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    [Scalfari:] Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?
    [Francis:] "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."


    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #1 on: March 29, 2018, 10:15:36 AM »
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  • If Bergolio was just a layman like us, saying all the things he says, we'd call him nuts and an apostate.

    Being that he appears to be the pope to the world, and there is debate whether he is or he isn't among traditionalist, I say that he is possessed by the devil, the same as John XXIII, Paul VI, JPII, and B-16. For there is no way a Catholic could teach and perform the deeds they performed, unless they are owned by the devil, NO WAY! It is just like the High priest Caiphas.

    By their deeds, you shall know them




    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #2 on: March 29, 2018, 01:56:31 PM »
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  • We have an apostate Pope. A council needs to be held and he needs to be removed. Then a new conclave and an election of a new pope. Since March 13, 2013 this has truly been the time of Fatima. "The apostasy begins at the top." If nothing is done prepare for the catacombs.

    Apostasy, O mournful Apostasy. 

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #3 on: March 29, 2018, 02:00:48 PM »
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  • If Bergolio was just a layman like us, saying all the things he says, we'd call him nuts and an apostate.

    Being that he appears to be the pope to the world, and there is debate whether he is or he isn't among traditionalist, I say that he is possessed by the devil, the same as John XXIII, Paul VI, JPII, and B-16. For there is no way a Catholic could teach and perform the deeds they performed, unless they are owned by the devil, NO WAY! It is just like the High priest Caiphas.

    By their deeds, you shall know them


    You literally believe that JXXIII, PVI, JPII, and B16 were just as bad as F? You paint with a very wide brush.


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    Pope Benedict XVI said in a 2007 sermon, “Jesus came to tell us that he wants us all in Heaven and that Hell, of which so little is said in our time, exists and is eternal for those who close their hearts to his love.”

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #4 on: March 29, 2018, 02:10:43 PM »
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  • https://akacatholic.com/is-francis-catholic-the-burden-of-proof/ From Louie

    Is Jorge Bergoglio (aka Francis and “the God of Surprises”) Catholic?

    Yes, I know, this question has been posed many times by any number of persons. Usually, however, it is glossed over as an exercise in sarcasm or hyperbole; in particular by those who would answer “yes.”

    Not only is this a serious question, it is the most important question facing the Catholic Church in our day, and, therefore, humanity as a whole.
    While some might argue that the burden of proof is on those who would insist that Francis is not Catholic, they have it exactly backwards; their position being nothing more than a misapplication of the American judicial principle (that only applies when it pleases the government) that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    In Catholic thought, however, one is not simply presumed to be a member of the Church until proven otherwise; rather, there are well-established criteria that must be met in order for one to legitimately lay claim to such membership:

    Now since its Founder willed this social body of Christ to be visible, the cooperation of all its members must also be externally manifest through their profession of the same faith and their sharing the same sacred rites, through participation in the same Sacrifice, and the practical observance of the same laws. (Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis – 69)

    NB: The signs that attest to one’s membership in the Church must be externally manifest;  not determined via an examination of things otherwise hidden. In other words, one’s Catholicity is not presumed; rather, it is made evident in an external, observable way.

    This isn’t my opinion, it is the criteria established by Holy Mother Church.

    [NOTE: As for what defines those who are not  members of the Church, please see the hyperlinked blog post by my friend Dr. Peter Chojnowski.]
    In light of the necessity of membership in the Church being made externally manifest (“must be”), it is high time for those who insist that we are required to assume that “Francis is Catholic until…,” often in condescending tones that only serve to reveal their own lack of conviction on this point, to put up or shut up by answering, in detail, the following question:

    How specifically is this man’s membership in the Catholic Church made externally manifest in his profession of the Catholic faith, his sharing the same sacred rites and his participation in the same Sacrifice according to the prescriptions set forth by the Church, and his practical observance of the same laws?

    Over the past five years, those with even a modicuм of sensus Catholicus cannot have failed to recognize the myriad of ways in which Francis has professed (and even attempted to officially promulgate under the guise of “authentic magisterium”) that which denies the Catholic faith; his unwillingness to share in the sacred rites and participate in the same Sacrifice according to the prescriptions set forth by the Church, and his utter failure to uphold the practical observance of the same laws; even going so far as to encourage others to persist in violating those laws.
    So, are there any among the “Francis is Catholic until…” crowd willing to put up?

    I am especially interested in the response of those with a voice in Catholic media who claim to be defenders of tradition. Don’t all chime in at once, fellas…


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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #5 on: March 29, 2018, 03:49:19 PM »
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  • You literally believe that JXXIII, PVI, JPII, and B16 were just as bad as F? You paint with a very wide brush.
    i agree w/ Last Trad :cheers:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #6 on: March 29, 2018, 05:21:41 PM »
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  • Extremely manifest is saying the adulterated mess of the new order.   Nothing takes place. Christ is not present.  No Precious Body or Blood for God's people.

    What can be worse than that!  chapter 12 of Daniel.

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #7 on: March 29, 2018, 05:25:45 PM »
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  • If Bergolio was just a layman like us, saying all the things he says, we'd call him nuts and an apostate.


    Just the incredible expressions on his face alone give real pause to wonder -- is this a madman or bozo the clown on speed or LSD.


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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #8 on: March 29, 2018, 05:34:31 PM »
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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #9 on: March 29, 2018, 06:00:25 PM »
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  • ANTI-POPE 4 SURE. :fryingpan:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #11 on: March 29, 2018, 11:17:59 PM »
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  • We have an apostate Pope. A council needs to be held and he needs to be removed. Then a new conclave and an election of a new pope. Since March 13, 2013 this has truly been the time of Fatima. "The apostasy begins at the top." If nothing is done prepare for the catacombs.

    Apostasy, O mournful Apostasy.
    The Novus Ordo Church people, by and large, do not consider him to be an apostate. He is not unpopular. "The Pope Of Mercy".  Even the SSPX is not overtly critical of him and wants to join his organization. In a recent video, Fr Jenkins (SSPV?) stated that it is Bergoglio who is holding back on allowing the SSPX in. It looks like he thinks that the SSPX is not quite Novus Ordoite yet.

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #12 on: March 30, 2018, 12:14:32 AM »
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  • Catholic                                                                                                       April 1996



    ______________________________ ______________________________ _____

    Archbishop Lefebvre's letter to the future Bishop written on the Feast of St. Augustine, August 29, 1987.



    Adveniat Regnum Tuum



    To: Frs. Williamson, Tissier de Mallcrais, Fellay, de Gallareia.



    My Dear Friends,



       The See of Peter and posts of authority in Rome being occupied by anti-Christ's, the destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord is being rapidly carried out even within His Mystical Body here below, especially through the corruption of the Holy Mass which is both the splendid expression of the triumph of Our Lord on the Cross,"Regnavit a Ligno Deus", and the source of the extension of His Kingdom over souls and over societies.  Hence the absolute need appears obvious of ensuring the permanency and continuation of the adorable Sacrifice of Our Lord in order that "His Kingdom, Come" The corruption of the Holy Mass has brought the corruption of the priesthood and the universal decadence of Faith in the Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.


        God raised up the Priestly Society of St. Pius X for the maintenance and perpetuity of His glorious expiatory sacrifice within the Church. He chose Himself some true priests instructed in and convinced of these divine mysteries. God bestowed upon me the grace to prepare these Levites and to confer upon them the grace of the priesthood for the continuation of the true sacrifice according to the definition of the Council of Trent.



        This is what has brought down upon our heads persecution by the Rome of the anti-Christ's. Since this Rome, Modernist and Liberal, is carrying on its work of destruction of the Kingdom of Our Lord, as Assisi and the confirmation of the liberal theses of Vatican II on Religious Liberty Prove, I find myself constrained by Divine Providence to pass on the grace of Catholic episcopacy which I received, I order that the Church and the Catholic priesthood continue to subsist for the glory of God and for the salvation of souls.



        That is why, convinced that I am only carrying out the holy will of Our Lord, I am writing this letter to ask you to agree to receive the graces of the Catholic episcopacy, just as I have already conferred it on other priests in other circuмstances.  I will bestow this grace upon you, confident that without too long a delay the See of Peter will be occupied by a successor of Peter who is perfectly Catholic, and into whose hand you will be able to put back the grace of your episcopacy so that he may confirm it.



        The main purpose of my passing on the episcopacy is that the grace of priestly orders be continued, for the true Sacrifice of the Holy Mass be continued, and that the grace of the Sacrament of Confirmation be bestowed upon children and upon the faithful who will ask you for it.

    I beseech you to remain attached in the See of Peter, in the Roman Church, mother and mistress of all the Churches in the integral Catholic Faith, expressed in the various creeds of our Catholic Faith, in the Catechism of the Council of Trent, in conformity with what you were taught in your seminary.  Remain faithful in the handing down of this faith so that the Kingdom of Our Lord may come.



        Finally, I beseech you to remain attached to the Priestly Society of St. Pius X, to remain profoundly united amongst yourselves, in submission to the Society"s Superior General, in the Catholic Faith of all time, remembering this word of St. Paul to the Galatians:"But even if we or an angel from heaven were to teach you a different gospel from the one we have taught, let him be anathema. As we have said before, now again I say: if anyone teaches you a different gospel from what you have received,"let him be anathema." (Gal. 1:8-9). My dear friends, be my consolation in Christ Jesus, remain strong in the Faith, faithful to the true Sacrifice of the Mass, to the true and holy priesthood of Our Lord for the triumph and glory of Jesus in heaven and upon earth, for the salvation of souls, for the salvation of my own soul.  
     


    In the hearts of Jesus and Mary, I embrace you and bless you.  



    Your Father in Christ Jesus.



    W Marcel Lefebvre



    Taken from the "Catholic," news April 1996 (Editor Don McLean)

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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #13 on: March 30, 2018, 12:22:23 AM »
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       This is what has brought down upon our heads 
    persecution by the Rome of the anti-Christ's.
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    Typo --- should be:
    Rome of the anti-Christs.
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    Re: "THERE IS NO HELL" -- new Francis revelation
    « Reply #14 on: March 30, 2018, 04:54:32 AM »
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  • If Bergolio was just a layman like us, saying all the things he says, we'd call him nuts and an apostate.

    Being that he appears to be the pope to the world, and there is debate whether he is or he isn't among traditionalist, I say that he is possessed by the devil, the same as John XXIII, Paul VI, JPII, and B-16. For there is no way a Catholic could teach and perform the deeds they performed, unless they are owned by the devil, NO WAY! It is just like the High priest Caiphas.

    By their deeds, you shall know them
    I think he was quoted out of context. In any event I also think we should pray for the Holy Father.
     :pray: :pray: :pray: