Author Topic: "Subsistit" Ecclesiology and the Trad Seminaries (Read 4906 times)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #40 on:** July 11, 2016, 12:40:03 PM »

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Just wondering.

Presumably even Feeneyites have non-Catholic friends and relatives. Now, when, for example, a non-Catholic grandparent, aunt, uncle, parent, or sibling dies, do you pray for him? Or do you assume that he's damned? Do you hold out any hope that something transpired between him and God at the end?

Again, just as Myrna you seem to think that Feeneyites are somehow judging individual souls, which is not the case. Feeneyites merely argue about objective requirements for salvation. Whether a pecific soul made it to heaven or not - we don't know.

Lets say you have an exam to enter the university - to make it you need, say, 60%. A profesor says before the exam "those of you who will reach 60% will make it into our university". Does he judge any specific individual chances? Of course, not. The same way Feeneyites say "it is necessary to receiver baptism and have explicit faith in Jesus Christ for salvation". Whether any individual soul was saved or not, we can't know.

I still think it would be a very good question to be answered by those who hold to the Feeneyites position. Do they hold out ANY hope that something transpired between him and God at the end? Do they pray for their souls in earnest?

DERAILING THREAD!!!!!!!

Undisciplined, irrelevant questions like this are what quickly and ultimately render a thread useless for future researchers into the subject of the title. Henceforth, I will be posting this warning on all threads.

Please start your own thread on the question you have. This is a good example of why I don't debate with women, they are generally disordered and undisciplined in their thinking. I should have made this clear when Clare first asked, however, her questions were answered by three people, and then Myrna asks the same exact question.

P.S.- calling a person a "Feeneyites" and asking him a question is akin to asking an SSPXer "What do you Lefebvrites think....". You are not going to engender yourself to anyone by addressing them in pejoratives.)

In othewords YOU don't pray for the dead, unless YOU know they were in the State of Grace, how judgemental!

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #41 on:** July 11, 2016, 12:50:59 PM »

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In othewords YOU don't pray for the dead, unless YOU know they were in the State of Grace, how judgemental!

He never answered the question. You're assuming. This is off topic.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #42 on:** July 11, 2016, 01:41:27 PM »

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In othewords YOU don't pray for the dead, unless YOU know they were in the State of Grace, how judgemental!

Ah, Myrna, you really just can't get past this, can you?

Let's try this way. Please answer the following question:

Can someone who dies in a state of mortal sin be saved?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #43 on:** July 11, 2016, 01:49:36 PM »

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In othewords YOU don't pray for the dead, unless YOU know they were in the State of Grace, how judgemental!

Ah, Myrna, you really just can't get past this, can you?

Let's try this way. Please answer the following question:

Can someone who dies in a state of mortal sin be saved?

NO! to your question Lad.

Ladislaus, can someone who dies in the state of Sanctifying grace save their soul?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #44 on:** July 11, 2016, 01:54:24 PM »

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In othewords YOU don't pray for the dead, unless YOU know they were in the State of Grace, how judgemental!

Ah, Myrna, you really just can't get past this, can you?

Let's try this way. Please answer the following question:

Can someone who dies in a state of mortal sin be saved?

NO!

Why are you not being judgmental for saying this?

Similarly with "Feeneyism", what's under discussion is what are the CRITERIA required for salvation. Now, certainly, a person who APPEARS to be in mortal sin could be given a grace to make a last act of perfect contrition. Similarly, someone who appears to be outside the Church might be given the grace of conversion at the last moment.

So too the Church has generally not prayed PUBLICLY for ѕυιcιdєs or others living in notorious public sin when they died. This does NOT rule out the possibility that a ѕυιcιdє might have repented and had perfect contrition before that actual moment of death. Similary, the Church does not PUBLICLY pray for non-Catholics. Is the Church being judgmental?