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Offline trad123

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« Reply #75 on: August 29, 2008, 10:05:42 PM »
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  • 2 Corinthians 4:3-4 

    And if our gospel be also hid, it is hid to them that are lost, In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of unbelievers, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not shine unto them.

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    « Reply #76 on: August 29, 2008, 10:12:18 PM »
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  • Well, part of the reason why I write on line is so that I can be called on any misleading rhetorical excesses.

    I just wanted to honor as far as possible a certain gut level reaction against Conciliar iniquity which in some way honors God. The Viennese scandal I keep harping on. The cardinal finds his defenders even in some Traditional circles. The worst pagans I know would be only outraged and disgusted by the whole affair. Showing that kind of cruddy mockery of Jesus Christ to Catholic KIDS!

    A certain door to Hellish deceit was opened only in CATHOLIC circles in the 1960s. There are of course pagan liberals who defend such sacrilege and scandal, but they don't do it in the Name of obedience and docility.



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    « Reply #77 on: August 29, 2008, 10:25:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cletus
    There are of course pagan liberals who defend such sacrilege and scandal, but they don't do it in the Name of obedience and docility...


    I follow you, and agree with your main idea.  The main source of the above Satanic behavior, at least in the visible realm, is the influence of the тαℓмυdic rabbis, who have been acting this way for millenia.

    IMO, this is also the source, however indirectly, of many of the objectionable things that pass in trad circles.  Men cannot be raised in such an environment and not be affected, however slightly.  God speed.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #78 on: August 29, 2008, 10:27:18 PM »
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  • In regard to the above attachment, Traditional priests are not "sent" by anyone to preach the peculiar and ever mutating ideas they have about the Vatican II situation.

    Their particular groups and societies with their peculiar cranky bugaboos and politics and policies are not "sent" by any true higher authority.

    No one sent a one of them, for example, to preach against lay Bible reading in a way that may seem to be in line with an early 18th century papal monitum about the subject but clearly flies in the face of Pope Pius XII's exhortations about the great value of lay Bible reading under proper conditions, and willy-nilly obliterates the practice of the Church Universal on the eve of Vatican II.

    They have valid Sacraments. That's what they can reasonably claim to have been sent with to the faithful.  


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    « Reply #79 on: August 29, 2008, 10:35:35 PM »
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  • Father Cekada knows eight year old kid who can explain why or why not Catholics may resort to Thuc line priests?


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    « Reply #80 on: August 29, 2008, 10:59:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cletus
    ...They have valid Sacraments. That's what they can reasonably claim to have been sent with to the faithful...


    And far too often such men wield the Sacraments as if they were weapons, holding the oft-bamboozled faithful hostage.  I am pretty sure that does not please the One who instituted them.
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    « Reply #81 on: August 30, 2008, 04:27:20 AM »
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    « Reply #82 on: August 30, 2008, 07:43:58 AM »
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  • I am sure that Father Cekada knows very well that all sorts of language that seems to preclude his sedevacantist theories is to be found in the corpus of Catholic Doctrine.

    "Peter will always have successors, until the end of time."

    I am also sure that every day of his life twenty times before breakfast he invokes the notion of "extraordinary circuмstances" to justify his recent or imminent doings.

    Jesus Christ seems to have had a predilection for what is surely the most unattractive and unpleasant of His parables. The parable of the wicked steward, set over His house to manage it, who manages to make it disorderly beyond all hope except the personal return of the Master. It shows up in three different forms in the Gospels.

    Pastors such as whom? Teachers such as whom? This ivory tower theologizing is as hypocritical as it is irresponsible and callous. Father Cekada would dismiss as utterly unsuitable as pastors and teachers the vast majority of those who seem to be such in the eyes of the hapless laity whom he paralyzes into uncertainty as to their next move with his arrogant sarcasm.


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    « Reply #83 on: August 30, 2008, 07:48:18 AM »
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  • But in fairness to him it has to be pointed out that in this article he was going after those who are going after him and his operation, quoting Canon Law (and if Father says that they misquote it I believe him) and speaking out of turn as masters in Israel rather than properly, as threatened sheep who speak from their own "emergency" point of view.

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    « Reply #84 on: August 30, 2008, 08:12:40 AM »
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  • We need no Tridentine decrees, we need no angels from heaven, to ratify our rejection of so-called pastors and teachers who make a part of Official Catechesis the idea that the dealings of Jesus Christ with Mary Magdalene may not have been what they ought to have been.

    Vatican Radio played JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR in the early 70s. That year it became part of the program in Catholic schools all over this country. Complaining parents were dismissed as arrogant and disobedient enemies of the Spirit and of the Lawful Decrees of the Council mandating Even Risky Openness to Comtemporary Culture.

    Yet Father Cekada has precisely nothing to say about the Canonical ins and outs about the ways in which the grossly deficient Latinists whose presence he must somehow suffer make their way out of subjection to their apparently lawful superiors in the New Church and over to his offices to begin with. He knows very well that the separatist chapel goers who put the butter on his bread are operating on sheer Catholic (and merely decent) instinct for the most part. But when those instincts fly in his own face he arbitrarily finds fault with the previously taken-for-granted mechanics of lay independence in the search for spiritual safety.

    This kind of absurdist clericalism is the very devil of 60s-style Tradtionalism.

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    « Reply #85 on: August 30, 2008, 02:02:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: Cletus
    This kind of absurdist clericalism is the very devil of 60s-style Tradtionalism.


    Do you mean that the present table, within trad circles, is set in a manner similar to that which we saw before V2 swept almost everyone away?  IOW, are we really all that different - in our heart of hearts, and in our mindset - from those Catholics who were swept away by the tide of apostasy in the 60s?  We have maintained the shell, even amongst great difficulties, but where is the meat/inner reality?

    Btw, the absurdist clericalism stems, IMO, from the influence of the тαℓмυdic rabbi mindset.  That said, the reason it is effective in such circles (and everywhere it is able to exercise its influence), is that ALL men, in a greater or lesser degree, are prone to a desire to lord it over their fellows.  There are only THREE prongs on Satan's proverbial pitchfork - the concupiscence of the flesh, the concupiscence of the eyes, and the pride of life.  Rabbis are no more prone to such than a priest is, than a teacher is, etc.
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    « Reply #86 on: August 30, 2008, 02:08:22 PM »
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  • As an aside - one that already I know will never be dealt with straightforwardly on this forum - the SSPX have not been sent by anyone any more than sedes, etc.; not in the sense in which it has always been meant, anyway.  They are no more pastors and teachers, in the canonical sense, than sedes; despite the fact that they like to give themselves such titles when printing their bulletins.

    [Please spare me the 'supplied jurisdiction' nonsense, for it is embarrassingly simple to refute.]
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    « Reply #87 on: August 30, 2008, 03:37:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd
    ...A priest INTRINSICALLY is supposed to help his bishop. If you have a priest with no obedience, you have a monster in the order of grace...


    I was wondering if you might be so good as to explain HOW this applies to any SSPX priest - whose obedience extends to such great lengths as to give world-class lip service to the local bishop, even mentioning him in the Te igitur!  Thank you in advance.
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    « Reply #88 on: August 30, 2008, 03:53:12 PM »
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  • I just wanted to add that I tried the home alone method for about a month . "Pope" Ratzinger's visit to the USA made me want to barf. It took a non Catholic from India to convince me that a flawed institution like the SSPX is better than nothing at all. I just have to wise up and keep my mouth so that some semblance of unity can be preserved.
          Like I said before, you would be put in jail if you sold a car without brakes or warning lights. The anti church of today is too risky for anyone's soul.  This is a special time where you have to use the critical thinking and spiritual discernment God has given you.  If the bus driver gets drunk, its ok to push him on the floor and take the wheel. Today's traditionalists would rather let the bus crash rather than make an original move. People like to beat you over the head with the "infallible" stick, or say that your spirit of disunity can only be diabolical.  I say unity with diabolical beliefs is not a good thing. Where was the spirit of unity when the money changers were driven out of the temple.?  Certain behavior fits certain situations. A Good soldier will do what is necessary. A mutiny is the correct answer after finding out the captain is an enemy agent. You make a bad call, you pay the price.

        As far as the sheep and shepherd symbolism goes, if you can understand that the sheep are being led astray, that qualifies you as a potential shepherd. If the sheep follow your voice, than there is a good chance that Jesus Christ has influenced your voice to say the correct words. Maybe that is final lesson for Catholics. Instead of some sort of sociology course, Christianity needs the Spirit of God rather than just blind following of a catechism. no matter how good the catechism may be.

       SO be of good cheer. We have a shipwreck on our hands, but there will be a few survivors. Don't make the swim to shore any harder than need be. (quit hitting me with that infallible oar!)

       

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    « Reply #89 on: July 18, 2009, 02:17:01 AM »
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  • bump for an oldie but goodie thread
     
    Dear Cletus, where are you?  

    I find your point of view as someone who hears lots of honest remarks from people buying antique Catholic books unique and refreshing.

     :wine-drinking:  

    If the clergy aren't guilty of forcing Catholics out on their own, some of the people they have working for them most certainly are.