Author Topic: "Sedevacantism and the Public Manifest Heretic" by Robert J. Siscoe (Read 14600 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #5 on:** September 07, 2012, 08:03:26 AM »

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(5) Siscoe's idea that the Pope can be warned or judged by an inferior is ridiculous, and also heretical (the "judging" part at least). The Pope has no superior on earth and is not subject to anyone's judgment (canon law says so, can't remember the canon right now). Vatican I declared this as well. So, while it is conceivable that an inferior might "warn" the Pope about some error or heresy, this warning would not be binding, because the Pope has the right to judge his inferior and command him. In fact, the Pope could even silence his inferior, having the authority to do so. Just imagine this absurd situation. "Holy Father, you are in error. This is heresy." - "No, it's not, and I am the final arbiter of the matter. My judgment is that it is not and you have no right to appeal my judgment." End of story.

Is this not at heart of the SV theory, that they can read/listen to a clergyman and then adjudicate him as guilty-or not-of heresy?

SJB · « **Reply #6 on:** September 07, 2012, 08:43:15 AM »

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(5) Siscoe's idea that the Pope can be warned or judged by an inferior is ridiculous, and also heretical (the "judging" part at least). The Pope has no superior on earth and is not subject to anyone's judgment (canon law says so, can't remember the canon right now). Vatican I declared this as well. So, while it is conceivable that an inferior might "warn" the Pope about some error or heresy, this warning would not be binding, because the Pope has the right to judge his inferior and command him. In fact, the Pope could even silence his inferior, having the authority to do so. Just imagine this absurd situation. "Holy Father, you are in error. This is heresy." - "No, it's not, and I am the final arbiter of the matter. My judgment is that it is not and you have no right to appeal my judgment." End of story.

Is this not at heart of the SV theory, that they can read/listen to a clergyman and then adjudicate him as guilty-or not-of heresy?

Can you listen to a layman and make a private judgment that he is a heretic? You guys seem to have no problem doing this with various Novus Ordo characters.

Belloc · « **Reply #7 on:** September 07, 2012, 09:03:58 AM »

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(5) Siscoe's idea that the Pope can be warned or judged by an inferior is ridiculous, and also heretical (the "judging" part at least). The Pope has no superior on earth and is not subject to anyone's judgment (canon law says so, can't remember the canon right now). Vatican I declared this as well. So, while it is conceivable that an inferior might "warn" the Pope about some error or heresy, this warning would not be binding, because the Pope has the right to judge his inferior and command him. In fact, the Pope could even silence his inferior, having the authority to do so. Just imagine this absurd situation. "Holy Father, you are in error. This is heresy." - "No, it's not, and I am the final arbiter of the matter. My judgment is that it is not and you have no right to appeal my judgment." End of story.

Is this not at heart of the SV theory, that they can read/listen to a clergyman and then adjudicate him as guilty-or not-of heresy?

Can you listen to a layman and make a private judgment that he is a heretic? You guys seem to have no problem doing this with various Novus Ordo characters.

Not addressing the issue.....

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** September 07, 2012, 10:53:09 AM »

I find these articles against sedevacantism fascinating if only because of the earnestness in which they are presented and the ease with which they are refuted.

It will be very interesting indeed to see how Mr. Siscoe, CFN, The Remnant, etc., etc., etc, spin the papacy issue when Rome approves deaconesses. Then, of course, it won't be a decade before Rome approves priestesses and then there will be bishettes in no time. I wonder how these folk will react to the first woman cardinal who will definitely be the real Pope Joan.

Remember: You read it here first.

Belloc · « **Reply #9 on:** September 07, 2012, 10:54:56 AM »

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I find these articles against sedevacantism fascinating if only because of the earnestness in which they are presented and the ease with which they are refuted.

It will be very interesting indeed to see how Mr. Siscoe, CFN, The Remnant, etc., etc., etc, spin the papacy issue when Rome approves deaconesses. Then, of course, it won't be a decade before Rome approves priestesses and then there will be bishettes in no time. I wonder how these folk will react to the first woman cardinal who will definitely be the real Pope Joan.

Remember: You read it here first.

when that happens, will ratherconfirm to some of us cautious folks the SV position......utnil then, some of us cautious for our own conscience...