Private opinions are one thing, judging who is and is not a office holder nad then blasting it all over is another.......look at the example of the former CI poster known as CM/Catholic Martyr.....I predicted at his rate, he would kick Peter to the curb eventually, last time I had the stomach to read his blog, he has no excommunicated Pius X and Leo XIII.......working his way back and doing it was logical articles and quotes, links,etc....not walking around all :shocked:
You bring up a very important point. We sedevacantists do not - or at least, ought not
- discern somebody to be a heretic merely on an odd-looking quote, and scream "Heresy!" at every turn. This is, I think, what this CM fellow is doing, and it is a grave injustice, as is clearly evident.
No, instead, legitimately discerning someone to be a heretic involves at least the following things:
(1) examine his teaching
(2) examine his actions
(3) examine his manner of speaking
(4) examine whether he manifests good will or ill will --> pertinacity
Now, if for example Pope Leo XIII taught heresy, as this CM guy claims, then not only should he produce a quote which looks suspicious, but he should also demonstrate that the Church's authorities, theologians, commentators, etc., understood him to be teaching this heresy and started to incorporate this heresy in their own teachings/books/publications. Because, if this is not
so, if they did not
so understand him, then CM's understanding of the quote is flawed.
And this is where we find a clear line between pre-V2 Popes and post-V2 impostors. I am sure one can find some select few statements made by pre-V2 Popes that appear odd or false in individual cases - for example, if they're taken out of context, mistranslated, etc.
But this is not the case with most of what the post-V2 impostors have said. For one thing, their false teaching has been corroborated by their actions. Good case in point: ecumenism. The V2 church clearly does not
believe that only the Catholic Church is divinely instituted by Christ, that she alone has an apostolic mission to convert the world, that she is in
the world but not of
the world, and that salvation is found only in her.
And even better example is religious liberty, as the V2 church forced Catholic countries to change their constitution in favor of religious liberty - so much for the "hermeneutic of continuity." The rest is history, of course.
So, in the case of the post-V2 false "Pontiffs", we can see that not only was their teaching erroneous, but they acted
according to the error, everyone understood
them to be teaching the error (not as error
but as different
from what was taught before), and their pertinacity in the matter is also reasonably established.
This is the difference between the sedevacantist position and the nonsense of CM. It's not about a witch hunt. It's not a "gotcha" game. It's about a reasonable, realistic assessment of the true situation.