Author Topic: "Sedevacantism and the Public Manifest Heretic" by Robert J. Siscoe (Read 14637 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #25 on:** September 11, 2012, 08:15:28 AM »

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That is a great post, Katholikos.

Either Benedict XVI is a Pope and should be obeyed.

Or he is an Antipope and should be opposed.

The "recognize-but-disobey" crowd have a strange notion of the Papacy.

The strange idea that "Benedict-is-pope-but-treat-him-like-an-antipope", is unknown in Catholic teaching.

Antipope Benedict XVI is exactly that. An Antipope. So he should be treated as such.

What true pope is in opposition to this antipope?

He is a false Pope but he would be an "anti" Pope were there a valid Pope. But anti is not really erroneous as he is anti Papacy, he is anti all valid Popes.

katholikos · « **Reply #26 on:** September 11, 2012, 05:34:31 PM »

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The reason why a public heretic (formal or material) cannot be the head of the Church is because of the danger to souls they would pose.

Actually, the reason that a public heretic cannot be a member (much less the head) of the Church is that the Church is one and professes one Faith, and the heretic does not profess that Faith. Therefore, it is incompatible for someone who professes a different Faith to be at the same time the member of the Church. It would be like saying that 2+2=4 and 5 at the same time.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2012, 05:53:27 AM »

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The reason why a public heretic (formal or material) cannot be the head of the Church is because of the danger to souls they would pose.

Actually, the reason that a public heretic cannot be a member (much less the head) of the Church is that the Church is one and professes one Faith, and the heretic does not profess that Faith. Therefore, it is incompatible for someone who professes a different Faith to be at the same time the member of the Church. It would be like saying that 2+2=4 and 5 at the same time.

Correct and very well put.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #28 on:** September 16, 2012, 05:22:35 PM »

+JMJ+

I grew up in a protestant home. The only exposure I had to the Church was through a few services I went to at my maternal grandmother's home parish. When I was very young (mid 1970s), I recall there still being Mass with the priest ad orientem. I do not recall whether the Mass was in Latin or not, as I was too young to know the difference.

What I did have in my younger years was a copy of the St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism for grade-school-aged children. It still featured pictures of the Mass in Latin and all the traditional rubrics, etc.

When I was a teenager and then a young adult, I visited various parishes and attended services many times. No matter how ignorant I was of the Faith or of the changes that had taken place, I could still tell that what I was seeing as a young man was NOTHING like what I saw as a young child and NOTHING like what I read about in that old Catechism book.

The longer I have lived and the more I have studied, the clearer and clearer the deceptions, defections and heresies of Newchurch have become.

If I was sure that things had changed back then, I am even more sure of how much of a departure from the Faith Newchurch represents now. I am grateful to Our Lord and the company of the saints for the graces to begin fleeing not only the errors of protestant religion but the false ecuмenism, heresy and perversion of the so-called 'leaders' at Newrome.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #29 on:** September 18, 2012, 05:13:03 AM »

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+JMJ+

I grew up in a protestant home. The only exposure I had to the Church was through a few services I went to at my maternal grandmother's home parish. When I was very young (mid 1970s), I recall there still being Mass with the priest ad orientem. I do not recall whether the Mass was in Latin or not, as I was too young to know the difference.

What I did have in my younger years was a copy of the St. Joseph Baltimore Catechism for grade-school-aged children. It still featured pictures of the Mass in Latin and all the traditional rubrics, etc.

When I was a teenager and then a young adult, I visited various parishes and attended services many times. No matter how ignorant I was of the Faith or of the changes that had taken place, I could still tell that what I was seeing as a young man was NOTHING like what I saw as a young child and NOTHING like what I read about in that old Catechism book.

The longer I have lived and the more I have studied, the clearer and clearer the deceptions, defections and heresies of Newchurch have become.

If I was sure that things had changed back then, I am even more sure of how much of a departure from the Faith Newchurch represents now. I am grateful to Our Lord and the company of the saints for the graces to begin fleeing not only the errors of protestant religion but the false ecuмenism, heresy and perversion of the so-called 'leaders' at Newrome.

St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

Thank you for this post SF. Please pray for all traditional Catholics, especially those who get angry at each other, and fight and seem to lack all semblence of charity. Pray that we can look at things dispassionately and that we don't take those who disagree with us on confusing issues as personal affront.

We are in this think together, when one rises we all rise and when one falls we all fall, as we are part of the same body. Let us build one another up instead of tearing each other down.