Author Topic: "Revisiting Sedevacantism" (Read 25814 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #75 on:** September 21, 2011, 11:27:08 AM »

Quote from: Nishant2011

Yes, of course the Trinity, the Incarnation are foundational truths of the Faith and necessary for salvation, and he who does not believe is condemned already. But the real issue is different.

The point is that the worship they offer is in vain, for as the Scripture says, it is following the commandments of men, and it is not worship offered in spirit and in truth, as Catholic Christian worship is. For the same reason, Jєωιѕн worship too awails nothing.

Muslims recognize and attempt to worship the God of Abraham. It is impossible for us to say that the God of Abraham is not the true God. Insofar as someone says, The God of Abraham is the true God whom Christians worship, he is right. However, they are ignorant of the fact that the God of Abraham is the Holy Trinity.

Yet, in the Qaran, the Trinity is called an "excremental" idea.

So obviously, they're not worshiping the God of Abraham, because HE IS 3 persons in one God. They REJECT that, so they worship a FALSE god.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #76 on:** September 21, 2011, 11:38:31 AM »

St. Alphonsus attests to the fact how the Holy Monk St. Goerge of San Saba openly confessed to the Mohammedans: "But the holy monk (St. George of San Saba) having declared that Mahomet was a disciple of the devil, and that his followers were in a state of perdition, he also was condemned (to martyrdom) with his companions."

What did St. Peter Mavimenus tell the Mohammedans? Did he say, "We worship the same God, all is well" No! He told them the truth, he put it this way to them "Whoever does not embrace the Catholic Christian religion will be damned, as was your false prophet Mohammed."

Just a couple of examples on what the Saints have said regarding Mohammedans.

Also, Pius IX in the syllabus of errors, points to these two specifically:

"Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." (Proposition XV).

"Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation and arrive at eternal salvation." (Proposition XVI).

"Those who have learned theology well," says St. Basil, “will not allow even one iota of Catholic dogmas to be betrayed. They will, if necessary, willingly undergo any kind of death in their defense."

St. Peter Canisius puts it this way: "Who is to be called a Christian? He who confesses the doctrine of Christ and His Church. Hence, he is truly a Christian thoroughly condemns and detests, the Jєωιѕн, Mohammedan, and the heretical cults and sects."

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/worship.htm

Daegus · « **Reply #77 on:** September 21, 2011, 02:36:50 PM »

Santo Subito, like stevusmagnus is a complete troll and heretic. They'll explain away anything and everything ever done by JXIII, PVI, JP1, JP2 & B16 as not heresy.

Talking to them is a waste of time. Those who are obstinate in their heresy will perish in it. Defending heresy is tantamount to heresy. Saying that it is a "fact" that Mohammedans worship the "one God" as we do is heretical, but you won't admit that because you're so eager to explain away everything these post-conciliar papal claimants say and do. You have no faith whatsoever.

Oh, and just so you liars (stevus and santo) can't pretend as though I'm making a point I'm not, I'm talking about how you repeatedly DEFEND heretical statements by trying to explain them away. You refuse to admit any heresy when something is blatantly wrong.

I don't care of what you choose to do to me. Use your multiple accounts to thumb me down and put me on ignore, I don't care. But I will NOT stand for perfidious vipers such as yourselves making a complete mockery of the Catholic faith. I will not be in communion with someone who obstinately denies the Catholic faith just so that they can live in lalaland and act as though the man sitting in Rome is God. I'm not telling you to accept the sede position, but the fact that you repeatedly defend heresy and cannot admit that any wrong has been done when such is obvious is enough for me to take a stand against you, as the firstborn of Satan that you are. I'm sick of your lies and deceit.

Our discussions will not continue, because the two of you are deeply involved with the Devil. Your tongues only know deceit, and you lie and try to trick others into following your errors. I can only hope that you will repent and embrace the Catholic faith as it has been traditionally taught. (Especially you stevus, who is so eager to refer to those who are either sede or sympathetic to that position as Protestants heretics, you lying scuм)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #78 on:** September 21, 2011, 02:47:43 PM »

Daegus,

You are a lying disingenuous fraud. I never once claimed the Muslims worship the one God AS WE DO. You are the perfect bloviating type sede as you can't even get your facts straight before lashing out at your manufactured strawmen.

I've never defended a single heretical statement. You rashly interpret non-heretical statements as heretical and then condemn anyone who does not condemn them.

It is not a matter of "explaining them away". It is a simple matter of applying the Church's own method of interpreting texts. You fail to even understand the basic principle that it must be interpreted in accord with Tradition as much as possible. You interpret it in the most anti-Catholic way possible and then claim heresy. Your interpretation may be heretical but that doesn't prove what was written objectively is.

Your vile filth of calumny you spew just serves to show the dark depths to which your soul has sunk. You care not a whit about the Truth as you can't even make the most basic effort to even understand your opponent's position.

You've proven time and time again to be a master of anti-Catholic Prot tactics of proof texting and mischaracterizing.

I agree discussion with you in your current state is pointless.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #79 on:** September 21, 2011, 02:50:44 PM »

Quote from: Daegus

Santo Subito, like stevusmagnus is a complete troll and heretic.

You are aparently long on accusations, but short on evidence.