sedetrad was the one who first brought it up, not me. If I didn't care about this forum, then I would not even say a word if some previously banned troublemaker came back on here. It's not taking over Matthew's responsibility. How do you think Matthew knows who people are on other accounts? The users on this forum let him know. When Hobson came back a month ago on another account, several people here pointed out how familiar his posting style looked and PMed Matthew about it. I've been here long enough to know how things work here.

...I accept that Nonno is telling the truth.

And it is plausible that others more experienced here may not accept he is telling the truth - but truth and Cekada are not two things that usually go in the same sentence, no matter who Nonno is.

But if you would permit me, let' look at it another way: I'm a 'sede' traditional Catholic, married with 11 children, a convert from atheism for the past 16-17 years, who happens to live in Yorkshire, England. I'm also in my mid 40's...

So in all fairness I have to ask: would Nonno be happy to share similar details? Would he even share just his/her real name? If not, fine, but no-one can justifiably suspect me of being anyone other than the guy described above because I don't hide behind a user-name. And the same surely equally applies to him (or even you) does it not?

Just a thought, and nothing more...

With prayers from Angleterre!

Craig

Distractions aside, there is plenty about AC's recent actions that deserves to be discussed.  Perhaps Nonno will read the linked article I provided and share his thoughts with us.

Accusing a person of lying is very serious.  It is not something to do based on a feeling or intuition.

Where do you think those feelings and intutions come from?  They come from assessing viable evidence, Jayne.

Suspicion is only a sin when it doesn't have sufficient basis.  That leaves a lot of grey area.  It is true that we should be slow to judgment, but that doesn't mean to be clueless ninnies.  If you saw a man dancing in a tutu with a standee of Judy Garland while singing "Cabaret," would you say "Well, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe he's not gαy but only confused"?  If you saw someone stumbling down the street stinking of alcohol would you say "Hm, maybe he's not drunk, maybe he just isn't very good at pumping gas and got it all over himself"?  We don't know the heart, who knows!

Some Catholics have gotten to the point where they think they need to have photographic evidence, or ESP, to be able to suspect anyone of anything.  It reminds me of what a lawyer said the other day, that many people today dismiss circuмstancial evidence but that in reality it is very important.  When trying to figure out if someone was guilty of a crime, in the past, you'd try to establish motive.  Now it doesn't matter; if there's no video of the person doing the crime, no DNA sample, then there is reasonable doubt about their guilt.  We live in a world that has become totally devoid of common sense.

Many heresies are exaggerations of one aspect of the truth, and the SSPX philosophy that you are showing, Jayne, is kind of like that -- it's an exaggeration of the principle of being slow to judgment.

However, that being said, I agree with you in this case and would say there isn't enough evidence to suspect Nonno of being Father Cekada.  I make no pronouncements about Nonno, except to say that something felt off about him.  Right away he began criticizing the idea that it was a miracle that permitted Father Ramolla to stay in the U.S.  It's kind of a strange thing to concern yourself with unless you're involved in some way.  It's a sure thing he is someone on the pro-Cekada side of the fence, that's all I'll say, but he strikes me as being much more subtle than Father Cekada.

I make no pronouncements about Nonno, except to say that something felt off about him.  Right away he began criticizing the idea that it was a miracle that permitted Father Ramolla to stay in the U.S.

He repeatedly strained at a gnat, while the article in the OP is full of camels.

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sedetrad was the one who first brought it up, not me. If I didn't care about this forum, then I would not even say a word if some previously banned troublemaker came back on here. It's not taking over Matthew's responsibility. How do you think Matthew knows who people are on other accounts? The users on this forum let him know. When Hobson came back a month ago on another account, several people here pointed out how familiar his posting style looked and PMed Matthew about it. I've been here long enough to know how things work here.

It makes sense to PM Matthew if one has suspicions. But I do not see what good these public accusations do.  People cannot prove they are who they say they are.  They are left with a stain on their name, whether they deserve it or not.

Accusing a person of lying is very serious.  It is not something to do based on a feeling or intuition.

PMing Matthew actually isn't something I want to do for two reasons. For one thing, he's extremely busy and has been especially busy lately and probably does not even have time to check his PMs. And I want to let others here know that Nonno is likely Father Cedaka. Something I notice is that those who accuse him of being Father C get thumbed-down while those who say he's not get thumbed-up. I believe they are from him and I believe he's Father C.

And like Raoul said, it's not a sin to accuse Nonno of lying if you have sufficient reasons to believe what you believe in. I've been on here long enough to know every trick that people such as Hobson and others who come back use. I know what I'm talking about, and have every right to be suspicious. There's no rule on this forum that says I can't be.

You using words in quotations and underlining others show me you are him. Even Raoul was suspcious of you when you first signed up. Just be man enough to admit you're him. And I suggest stopping the childish thumbing-down of posts, because two can play at that game.

Something I notice is that those who accuse him of being Father C get thumbed-down while those who say he's not get thumbed-up. I believe they are from him and I believe he's Father C.

I have given some thumbs up and down concerning this, although I don't remember exactly which posts.  I am neither Father C nor Nonno.