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Caminus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 09, 2011, 04:56:40 PM »

You apparently don't understand the import of my objection. Ordinary jurisdiction, the possession of divine authority is an essential quality of the Church. In order for your theory to hold, you must demonstrate the at least one traditional bishop possesses ordinary jurisidiction, otherwise you will have to revise your opinion.

Nonno · « **Reply #6 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:12:29 PM »

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You apparently don't understand the import of my objection. Ordinary jurisdiction, the possession of divine authority is an essential quality of the Church. In order for your theory to hold, you must demonstrate the at least one traditional bishop possesses ordinary jurisidiction, otherwise you will have to revise your opinion.

I already explicitly answered that. The person elected to the position of "Bishop of Rome" needs no jurisdiction to be qualified for that election. He needs only be a Catholic man. This is Catholic teaching.

LordPhan · « **Reply #7 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:18:19 PM »

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You apparently don't understand the import of my objection. Ordinary jurisdiction, the possession of divine authority is an essential quality of the Church. In order for your theory to hold, you must demonstrate the at least one traditional bishop possesses ordinary jurisidiction, otherwise you will have to revise your opinion.

I already explicitly answered that. The person elected to the position of "Bishop of Rome" needs no jurisdiction to be qualified for that election. He needs only be a Catholic man. This is Catholic teaching.

No Sir, All Popes, even the few who were laymen(I acutally only know of one off the top of my head) were given Holy Orders by the Cardinals, so if there was no Bishop to consecrate someone else a Bishop or to become Pope himself then there would be no such Bishop of Rome in your hypothesis, thus the Apostolic link would crumble and the church would be fallen.

LordPhan · « **Reply #8 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:19:10 PM »

I do like the quote from St. Athanasius, I use it myself, I would however remind you that St. Athanasius was a Patriarch, and the only authority above him was in fact the Pope.

Caminus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2011, 06:42:34 PM »

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You apparently don't understand the import of my objection. Ordinary jurisdiction, the possession of divine authority is an essential quality of the Church. In order for your theory to hold, you must demonstrate the at least one traditional bishop possesses ordinary jurisidiction, otherwise you will have to revise your opinion.

I already explicitly answered that. The person elected to the position of "Bishop of Rome" needs no jurisdiction to be qualified for that election. He needs only be a Catholic man. This is Catholic teaching.

Do you even understand the concept of ordinary jurisdiction? If not, I suppose we should go over some basics before entertaining wild scenarios.