Author Topic: "Once Catholic always a Catholic" and the effect of Heresy on membership (Read 13800 times)

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #100 on:** January 19, 2016, 08:42:50 PM »

Are you saying he might be related to "Gerard FE"? Haha. That guy would argue with a wall.

Stubborn · « **Reply #101 on:** January 20, 2016, 05:58:04 AM »

I am of the opinion that among sedevacantists, there is some mental block which prohibits them from accepting fact, much like sedevacantist McCork's promoting of some faith in these forums which is not Catholic, regardless that he insists otherwise, even after being corrected numerous times.

Because OCAC is proven to be true using only elementary and fundamental Catholic teaching, the sedes cannot claim the pope, being ipso facto excommunicated due to his heresies, is no longer Catholic therefore no longer pope. This is not acceptable to them to the point of saying Trent was wrong.

We see here demonstrated by Desmond yet again where one cannot use Church teaching to vindicate sedevacantism. There is no Church teaching that teaches, or in any way supports sedevacantism, it is in fact just the opposite, as this thread testifies.

Desmond · « **Reply #102 on:** January 20, 2016, 09:11:18 AM »

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semantical confusion is only exploited, by proponents to entrap people in the error.

What error? If we say they are still 'members' of the Church, with a small 'm', what problems does this cause? We're not saying they're going to heaven, just because they're baptised.

You seem to be a die hard optimist (if honest about your position).

Just ask Stubborn what he actually means, both about membership and Penance for heretics.

Ask him also about OCAC's ecclesiology.

OCAC's ecclesiology? It's posted on the first page of this thread - and don't forget, Pax Vobis is the only one who answered them. You just continue to ignore them completely.

You mean this:

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the Catholic Church comprised by all validly baptised individual alive in the world, including all heretics and schismatics, and even apostates, provided they were once validly baptised.

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the OaCAaC or OCAC, has the Body itself contain a smaller entity which is the Actual Visible Church, apparently United via Unity of the Faith.

or another variation I hypothesised in the OP?

Desmond · « **Reply #103 on:** January 20, 2016, 09:13:08 AM »

Quote from: Nadir

Pax Vobis and Stubborn, you have both been amazingly patient and persistent. I have come to the conclusion that McCork is right when he says, on another thread, that "something is fishy" http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=39563&min=25&num=5

Or maybe Nadir, as you said yourself, you are too limited to even understand what I am talking about.

OCAC is an error, and I am now convinced leads inevitably to heresy, and yet I am being treated as an idiot and heterodox for saying so. Amazing.

Desmond · « **Reply #104 on:** January 20, 2016, 09:15:20 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

I am of the opinion that among sedevacantists, there is some mental block which prohibits them from accepting fact, much like sedevacantist McCork's promoting of some faith in these forums which is not Catholic, regardless that he insists otherwise, even after being corrected numerous times.

Because OCAC is proven to be true using only elementary and fundamental Catholic teaching, the sedes cannot claim the pope, being ipso facto excommunicated due to his heresies, is no longer Catholic therefore no longer pope. This is not acceptable to them to the point of saying Trent was wrong.

We see here demonstrated by Desmond yet again where one cannot use Church teaching to vindicate sedevacantism. There is no Church teaching that teaches, or in any way supports sedevacantism, it is in fact just the opposite, as this thread testifies.

I'm sorry but seeing how you directly contradict infallible points of doctrine, while hiding behind pious literal interpretation, I have to conclude you are malicious and dangerous.

Good luck.