Author Topic: "Once Catholic always a Catholic" and the effect of Heresy on membership (Read 13779 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #130 on:** January 21, 2016, 04:38:34 PM »

Quote from: Desmond

Quote from: Stubborn

Honestly, I do not know what is so difficult here.

If you agree that only Catholics can receive the sacrament of penance (I still cannot figure out if you agree with this or not) - and Trent teaches that it does not matter what your sin or censure is, in danger of death, go to confession! Then OCAC because Trent would not tell even a good a non-Catholic to go to confession - comprende?

If you want to see a signed contract of some sort from the penitent, promising they are sincere, that they are sincerely seeking repentance before they confessed their sins, then you are crazy. What if they lied on the contract? What if they didn't? What if it rained beer? Why do you care when the Church teaches that no matter what sin the person is guilty of, to get to confession before they die.

You are ignoring the teaching of the Church in your zeal to punish the evil heretic to eternal hell, but that is not Catholic.

Listen Stub, we've been over this many times.

You're making a mess because you want heretics inside the Church.

You start from, as most heretics do, the truth:

"Heretics are non members" which is a de fide

and end with:

"Heretics are actually members" because such and such

via the usual circuмlocutions, exceptions, faux naivete, and so on.
Also, usual malice and patently demeaning attempts at discrediting your interlocutor and gaining sympathy from readers.

You are making a mess because you do not accept what the Church teaches. You keep adding your own provisos, your own exceptions, your own "what ifs" to the clear teaching "which has *always* been very piously observed in the said Church of God" and you scramble it all up - stop doing that. You will never get that teaching "which has always been very piously observed" to mean anything other than what it means. If you do not want to observe it, that's your business, but already admit that you do not want to observe it rather than scrambling it all up.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #131 on:** January 21, 2016, 05:05:46 PM »

Desmond, if you want to call ALL protestants heretics, fine by me. I really don't care.

But I can't believe you quoted Karl Rahner. !! You quoted a heretic's definition of heresy. That's almost as funny as beer raining from the sky! And it's my cue to stop this conversation.

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Author Topic: "Once Catholic always a Catholic" and the effect of Heresy on membership (Read 13779 times)

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"Once Catholic always a Catholic" and the effect of Heresy on membership

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"Once Catholic always a Catholic" and the effect of Heresy on membership