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    Tuesday, August 30, 2011
    Now Comes the Great Divide

    1. Traditional Catholic SSPX Bishop Fellay Declares “Jєωs are our elder brothers in the old Covenant”

    2. Michael Hoffman’s reply:
    Now Comes the Great Divide
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    Superior General of the SSPX, Bishop Fellay Proclaims "The Jєωs are 'our elder brothers' in the old Covenant"
    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2009/02/fellay-Jєωs-are.html

    Fellay: "The Jєωs are 'our elder brothers'."
    "Antisemitism has no place in our ranks."

    Strong words of the Superior General of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X (FSSPX / SSPX), Bishop Bernard Fellay, against any suspicion of Antisemitism.

    1. First, in a declaration made yesterday to Famille Chrétienne, the French Catholic weekly, as reported by La Croix this Sunday:

    Bishop Bernard Fellay welcomed Famille Chrétienne [French Catholic weekly] on January 31, in his General House of Menzingen, Switzerland. He responded in particular to the accusations of Antisemitism cast at the Fraternity of Saint Pius X.

    "We evidently condemn every act of murder of the innocent. It is a crime that cries to heaven! Even more so when it is related to a people. We reject every accusation of Antisemitism. Completely and absolutely. We reject every form of approval of what happened under Hitler. This is something abominable. Christianity places Charity at a supreme level. Saint Paul, speaking of the Jєωs, proclaims, 'I wished myself to be an anathema [from Christ], for my brethren!" (Rom. 9, 3). The Jєωs are "our elder brothers" in the sense that we have something in common, that is, the old Covenant. It is true that the acknowledgment of the coming of the Messiah separates us.

    "It is very interesting to notice that the Church did not await for the Council to prescribe courses of action regarding the Jєωs. Since the 30s, even during the war, several texts of Rome provide a very just position: the abominations of the Hitlerist regime must be condemned! 'Spiritually, we are all Semites', Pope Pius XI had said. It is a truth which comes from Sacred Scripture itself, 'we are sons of Abraham,' Saint Paul also affirms."

    2. Also by an e-mail message sent this Sunday to the Rev. Dr. Alcuin Reid (forwarded to several blogs):

    Statement by Dr Alcuin Reid:

    On Friday BBC Radio asked me to discuss recent events concerning the SSPX on 'The Sunday Program' this morning. Following that request I asked the SSPX for comment on the issues to be discussed. Unfortunately Bishop Fellay's reply reached me only after the program aired. His reply, written for publication, states:

    "The position of Bishop Williamson is clearly not the position of our Society. Antisemitism has no place in our ranks. We follow fully God's commandments on justice and charity and the constant teaching of the Church. Antisemitism has been condemned by the Church. So do we condemn it. I fully agree with Fr Schmidberger's statement about Bishop Williamson's words. (www.fsspx.info)"

    God bless you
    +Bernard Fellay
    Now Comes the Great Divide

    By Michael Hoffman | Aug. 30, 2011
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    Now comes the Great Divide in the Roman Catholic Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), not between Bishop Richard Williamson and Bishop Bernard Fellay, but between the SSPX founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Fellay.

    This “antisemitism” canard is used as a Pavlovian instrument of auto-suppression  to taint any critical study of Judaism. The SSPX rejects antisemitism, Bishop Fellay says. Fine! But what does that have to do with the issues at hand? Is it “antisemitic” to ask if Judaic persons were gassed to death in Auschwitz? Are these gassing allegations now holy Catholic writ, a new gospel? Where is the forensic docuмentation that St. Edith Stein was “gassed” in Auschwitz-Birkenau? How is it that one hates “semites,” if one dares to ask questions about secular history?

    To what extent has the religion of Judaism for gentiles, that some of us refer to as h0Ɩ0cαųstianity, supplanted the religion of Jєωs and gentiles known as Christianity? To what extent is h0Ɩ0cαųstianity used to occlude the history of ʝʊdɛօ-Bolshevism’s mass murder of millions of Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe? These distinctions do not concern Bishop Fellay. He defends against the charge of “antisemitism” with the broadest strokes of crude generalities, as if the Patriarch Abraham and the Apostle Paul were all partisans of Zionism, liberalism and the Allied history of World War II.

    Why is the statement from Pope Pius XI, “Spiritually we are all semites,” supposed to be some ultimate means for shaming into silence critics of the тαℓмυd, and persons who question Judaic tales of homicidal gassings in Auschwitz? When we dare to ask such questions in the face of rabbinic and Vatican outrage, we are fulfilling our rights as Christians and the imperative bequeathed to us by St. Paul himself: “Not giving heed to Jєωιѕн fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth" (Titus 1:14).

    “Spiritually we are all semites.” Indeed!  And when objective and unbiased genetic testing at a high level of scientific verification is performed in the future, we will find many Arabs who are semites and many so-called Jєωs who are not (Rev. 2:9 and 3:9).

    Bishop Fellay seems to endorse Pope John Paul II’s perverse declaration that, “the Jєωs are our elder brothers in the faith,” although Fellay uses the term “Old Covenant.” Which “Jєωs”  -- ancient or modern? Does Fellay mean to say, the “Jєωs” of the Israeli state? The “Jєωs” of Chabad-Lubavitch? Does he refer to “Jєωs” like Maimonides, the Alter Rebbe, the Chafetz Chaim, Joseph Karo as our “elder brothers” in the “Covenant”?

    The religion of Orthodox Judaism is a complete betrayal of the Old Testament. Those who follow it are not our elder brothers in the Old Covenant of the Bible. Their faith consists of the тαℓмυd and worship of themselves, not worship of God (Babylonian тαℓмυd: Bava Metzia 59b and Mo’ed Kattan 16b). Contemporary Orthodox Judaism is a blasphemy, many hundreds of times more corrupt that it was at the time the Pharisees persecuted Jesus Christ.

    What then does Bishop Fellay’s phrase actually denote, “our elder brothers in the Old Covenant”? Does it denote that because today’s Israelis and Zionists allege that they are physically descended of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, we Christians have a solidarity with them based on their race? If that is the case, what then does the bishop make of the words of St. John the Baptist, when he said, in response to the racial brag of the Pharisees: “Do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father,' for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire." Matthew 3: 9-10.

    The ancient Pharisees had the same prestigious idea about their racial heritage as does Bishop Fellay. But what did Christ say to them in response? “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did, but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God” (John 8:39-40).

    “Do not presume to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father...

    “If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did...”

    This is a radically different doctrine from the one put forth by the recent popes and the SSPX Superior General. Both St. John and Our Lord Jesus Christ defined the Jєωs’ connection to Abraham on the basis of their “fruits” and their “works.”

    What are the fruits and works of the Christ-hating rabbis?

    On what basis, other than racial prestige, can they be termed “elder brothers in the covenant”? Such a statement is liberal nonsense, concocted to curry favor with counterfeit-Israel and the Vatican that has become its most pernicious servant.

    Is it “antisemitism” to reject this modernist palaver about Christianity’s supposed “elder brothers”? We adhere instead to the traditional Biblical and Catholic standard that the members of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Judaism constitute the Antichrist.

    We hear a great deal of thunder from Bishop Fellay about “Antisemitism,” and not a whisper about the Judaic Antichrist. What does Scripture say? “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father.” 1 John 2:22-23.

    To deny this fact, by spreading confusion concerning what is the “covenant” of “the Jєωs,” and claiming that the covenant of “Jєωs” in general, without qualification, precedes and is the elder brother of Christianity, is a scandal, a source of grave confusion, and an abdication of the prophetic voice of warning which Marcel Lefebvre desired that his successors would embody.

    While Bishop Richard Williamson’s remarks in the past have sometimes been intemperate and poorly timed, his views on Judaism do not differ from those of Archbishop Lefebvre. Therefore, is Bishop Fellay suggesting indirectly that Archbishop Lefebvre was “antisemitic?” Is this why some of Lefebvre’s speeches have been suppressed by Fellay?

    Another of the four SSPX bishops, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, is well aware of the truth about Judaism. It is unfortunate that out of a mistaken sense of diplomacy he remains silent while Bishop Fellay continues to publicly batter a mostly defenseless brother bishop (Williamson) for supposed “sins” of Hitlerism and antisemitism of which he is not guilty.

    Bishop Fellay states concerning Judaic persons: “Christianity places Charity at a supreme level.” Yet he has no charity toward Bishop Williamson. He repeatedly drags his name and reputation through the mud and uses him as a scapegoat.

    In fact, Bishop Fellay has managed to sufficiently bully Bishop Williamson into avoidance of the truth. Williamson has in recent weeks more fervently denounced the German philosopher Immanuel Kant, than any rabbi. In his last column he attacked “Protestantism and liberalism” as the great evils of history. He omitted Judaism. His self-censorship is patently in deference to the lynch mob atmosphere Bishop Fellay has stirred against him. The silence of the other two SSPX bishops in the face of Fellay’s scurrilous campaign of calumny has no doubt emboldened Fellay.

    Bishop Tissier de Mallerais is presiding over a two-day “Kingship of Christ” symposium in Kansas City in October that studiously avoids any serious or sustained study of Judaism or its disastrous infiltration of the modern Church. Of course, he is “just being diplomatic.” In this emergency, at five minutes to midnight on the clock of destiny, such avoidance is a dereliction of the duty incuмbent upon the office of bishop.

    How is it that clerical Catholic fellow-travelers with Judaism are so bold as to proclaim their liberalism from the housetops, while those who know the truth dare not? How does God work His will on earth if not through his human instruments on earth? And if those instruments are too enamored of timidity in the name of diplomacy, then what?

    The Catholic Church has witnessed the current and past pope visit ѕуηαgσgυєs several times -- not to admonish the sinners and instruct the ignorant in those places  -- which would be a salutary missionary activity to undertake, in the spirit of the apostles and St. Vincent Ferrer -- but rather, the two popes encouraged the enthralled in those ѕуηαgσgυєs to remain in their sins!

    Bishop Fellay has cut his suit to fit the pattern of the modern Vatican, wherein the ancient weed of Neo-Platonic Kabbalism and тαℓмυdism has emerged in full bloom in two pontificates, to the ruination of countless souls. If the salvation of souls is not our highest objective, then what is? If souls are being lost to eternal damnation because Archbishop Lefebvre’s successor believes he must play the part of the consummate politician in order to save the SSPX from the wrath of the Roman curia and the Zionist government of Germany (where the SSPX has schools and a seminary), what then?

    To Bishop Fellay, we say, if your Excellency truly loves the “Jєωs,” then you will tell them the truth which the Church of Jesus Christ has always proclaimed to them: they have no faith and no covenant without Christ. They abandoned the Old Testament religion of Israel when they abandoned Jesus. They are not custodians of the Bible; neither do they honor it, or the Patriarchs. In their texts, they denigrate Noah, Isaiah and even Abraham. They use a Pharisaic and Kabbalistic exegesis of Scripture with multiple levels of alleged meaning, which degrades the Word of God into a mere totem, whereupon man’s fantasies are projected and institutionalized.

    This fantastic тαℓмυdic and midrashic exegesis has been taken up by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI and incorporated into the Catholic hermeneutic. We will give but one example. On Holy Name Sunday in both Novus Ordo (diocese of Spokane) and even traditional pulpits (Fraternity of St. Peter), which we have heard with our own ears, in 2010 and 2011 respectively, it is taught that the Name of God (YHVH) was so holy it was to be pronounced only once a year by the high priest. This teaching is put forth with the strong implication that we are to imitate this “Biblical” example concerning the Name of God.

    This is not Biblical, however. It is false doctrine -- a counterfeit human tradition about the Name of God nowhere to be found in the Word of God. The God of Israel repeatedly demanded that His people be known by His Name and that His Name be invoked by them (Exodus 3:15). The superstitious proscription against pronouncing God’s name, except once a year, is from the written record of the once oral law of the Pharisees -- the Mishnah -- which, with the Gemara, forms the тαℓмυd.

    On June, 29, 2008 the "Letter to the Bishops' Conferences on the Name of God," a docuмent promulgated by the "Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments," ordered, at the direction of Pope Benedict XVI, God's name is "neither to be used or pronounced" in Catholic liturgy, hymns or prayers. Pope Benedict is promulgating the word of the Pharisees in Mishnah Sanhedrin 10:1, in preference to the Word of God in Exodus 3:15 and Psalm 145:21 (Jerusalem Bible translation). This is how serious are the inroads of тαℓмυdism into Catholicism.

    Will Bishop Fellay resort to invoking the tiresome device of crying “antisemitism” as a way to silence vigilance and protest over the fact that Pope Benedict prefers to obey the тαℓмυd rather than the Old Testament? Christians are indeed children of Abraham. How then can they be children of a тαℓмυd in which Abraham and the God of Abraham have no part?

    Where God is, there is the Truth. The truth about Pharisaic Judaism, of which today’s Orthodox Judaism is the direct descendant, was declared by Jesus Christ, recorded in the New Testament, taught by the early Church, the Fathers of the Church and all the saints canonized before 1970. Yet, suddenly the modern zeitgeist has determined that Truth is “antisemitic”!

    And you, Bishop Fellay, do you still claim to be the guardian of the traditional Catholic Society founded by Archbishop Lefebvre, or have you become the paladin of the politically correct lucubrations of the modernist heresy?
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2011, 03:05:25 PM »
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    The Jєωs are "our elder brothers" in the sense that we have something in common, that is, the old Covenant. It is true that the acknowledgment of the coming of the Messiah separates us.


    This is a bishop saying this?  Really?  Catholics are under the New Covenant, not the Old Covenant.  We don't "have" the Old Covenant, and oh yeah -- neither do the Jєωs.  The Old Covenant no longer exists.  Sloppy, sloppy stuff, and very Modernist-sounding.  

    Unfortunately many of the SSPX laity still won't get it.  They will migrate to the side of Bishop Williamson, trapped in the good-cop bad-cop dialectic, while ignoring the larger issue that we must declare these Popes to be the empty shells of jurisdictional and theological nothing that they are.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 30, 2011, 05:02:18 PM »
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  • This is a statement from Hoffmann made today in response to a statement by +Fellay made 2 1/2 years ago??  :confused1:

    Perhaps I'll understand once I read it all...
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    « Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 05:29:32 PM »
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  • Hoffman mentions two things, the second of which is recent (from this past Sunday).
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 03:24:35 AM »
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  • This is an excellent article. It hits the nail right on the head.  
    Thanks to Mr Hoffman for writing it, and thanks to Gladius_Veritatis for posting it.


    The main problem is Bishop Fellay's (and Krah's mentor Fr Pfluger's) abandoning of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    I know some readers won't like to hear the following, but if you search you'll see it comes word-by-word from the very heart of the SSPX :

    "Bp Fellay's SSPX is no longer the SSPX of the Archbishop."



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    This is a statement from Hoffmann made today in response to a statement by +Fellay made 2 1/2 years ago??

    Since unfortunately official SSPX clerics -- I can name Bishop Fellay, Fr Pfluger, Fr Schmidberger, Fr Gaudron, Fr Frey, and many more! -- still publicly defame Bishop Williamson today at any occasion, these 2 1/2 years don't mean anything. Mr Hoffman's timing is good because he shows that the basis of this continuous defamation is void.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 03:53:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ethelred
    Since unfortunately official SSPX clerics ... still publicly defame Bishop Williamson today at any occasion ...

    I meant: on occasion.

    Like when the Bishop Williamson Appeal took place several weeks ago, or when the (German zone) SSPX opens a new chapel or school and is attacked by the vile media for allegedly being αnтι-ѕємιтєs, and so on. Then usually the SSPX officials unwind a kind of standardized anti Bishop Williamson "programme".

    For supporters of Archbishop Lefebvre and hence also Bishop Williamson this "programme" is virtually unbearable. Furthermore there's strong indicators suggesting that Mr Krah and his mentor Fr Pfluger are involved in writing this "programme".

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    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 01:24:38 PM »
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  • Thanks for posting. :applause:

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    « Reply #7 on: August 31, 2011, 02:14:30 PM »
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  • Pertinent comment from 'Diego' in comment box of the blog.

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    "That your faith might not stand on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God." 1 Corinthians 2:5

    Interesting timing.

    Of late there has been increased priestly commentary in our SSPX parish and school against blogging and social media. In general the advice is appropriate, but the increased fervor of the advice does coincide with increasing pressure by Max Krah threatening Ignis Ardens, the [relatively timid] UK blog that exposed his connections with Zionism and Judaic investment. It seems the neo-Pharisees are not restricted to the Novus Ordo.

    Bp. Fellay, Mr. Krah, and Fr. Hegenberger have good reason to fear the exposure of the Society's spiritual and secular ills---and the Judaizing subversion that is afoot with the Society (e.g., Bp. Fellay's ambiguous remarks about Judaism, Krah's Zionist and Judaic investment connections, and Fr. Hegenberger's vile defense of the heretical "Saint of the Sanhedrin" article in the Dec 2010 Angelus magazine). In that same vein, the SSPX has as much difficulty as the Novus Ordo in remembering the perennial Magisterium against usury.

    Sad to say, Bp. Fellay is not even close to par with Abp. Lefebvre.


    "That your faith might not stand on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God." 1 Corinthians 2:5

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    « Reply #8 on: August 31, 2011, 04:21:55 PM »
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  • Thanks JG, great point made there.

    So then you think that this is all in preparation for the upcoming meeting with Rome? Sort of aligning with them, before officially aligning with them?

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    « Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 08:23:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: Diego
    Of late there has been increased priestly commentary in our SSPX parish and school against blogging and social media.


    This is reminiscent of those in authority who cried about social media's role in the London riots, etc.  If the sociopaths running the asylum would just cut the crap, there would be no need to expose them or otherwise rage against the machine.  

    The parallels between the political and financial worlds, the Vatican, and notable quadrants of Traddieland are more than a little disconcerting.  It continually amazes me how blind our 'leaders' are.  They stick to the same, now-impotent tactics even though there is ample evidence everywhere they look that many of us see right through their bullsh*t.  Oh well, I guess they will continue playing their mental, reindeer games until the very moment they exit stage left during the Great Purification that is now upon us.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 31, 2011, 08:50:15 PM »
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  • Who wants to bet +Williamson will affiliate himself with a Traditionalist movement, or start his own?
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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2011, 05:00:05 AM »
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  • Quote from: Gregory I
    Who wants to bet +Williamson will affiliate himself with a Traditionalist movement, or start his own?


    Bishop Williamson is already a member of the SSPX and should remain with this Society founded by Archbishop Lefebvre. Bishop Williamson is faithful to the mission of the Archbishop so why should he leave or even be expelled from the Society? It's a bit of an easy way out for priests to leave the SSPX.

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    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2011, 07:04:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Quote from: Gregory I
    Who wants to bet +Williamson will affiliate himself with a Traditionalist movement, or start his own?


    Bishop Williamson is already a member of the SSPX and should remain with this Society founded by Archbishop Lefebvre. Bishop Williamson is faithful to the mission of the Archbishop so why should he leave or even be expelled from the Society? It's a bit of an easy way out for priests to leave the SSPX.


    Isn't this what so-called Neo-Conservative Catholics have been saying about the Conciliar Church for ever?  We have to remain in "full" communion with Rome and work for reform from within.  Meanwhile, the Conciliar church has become less and less Catholic and more and more Protestant (and even Pagan) with each passing year.  The problem has only been exacerbated with Benedict because he has a veneer of tradition (so as to fool even the elect, if that were possible, but it fools quite a vast number) while promoting a universalism that is astonishing.

    In any event, I don't think Bishop Williamson plans on any sort of formal split with the Society.  There will be a split of some sort, however, if Bishop Fellay makes or accepts any formal agreement with Rome before Rome returns to the Catholic Faith.  (Isnt' it amazing how I can use the same terminology as the Society, yet the Society still insists that non-Catholic Rome heads the Catholic Church?)

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    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2011, 04:07:00 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay has stated nothing more than the Fathers of the Church viz. the Jєωs which supposed an essential identity with the Jєωs of the Old Testament.  It is a question of fact.  If they are not Jєωs in any meaningful sense, then his statement is simply an error in fact.  If he views them as a people linked with the Old Testament Jєωs, the view taken by the Fathers, then his point is innocuous and merely a truism.  He avoids the using the word "faith" because he knows they have none.  He qualifies the proposition by stating "in a sense."  To make such bold accusations based upon this single statement is simply ignorant and rash.  And Hoffman's observation about Bishop Williamson's "self-censorship" as indicated by writing about Kantian philosophy is a logical fallacy of great import.  Mr. Hoffman doesn't seem to realize there are many topics for discussion and in fact Bishop Williamson's recent commentary has been very enlightening.  Mr. Hoffman, simply because we do not speak continuously of the Jєωs, you cannot make any serious inference.  Has Bishop Fellay erred in handling Bishop Williamson?  Yes, but to make these grandiose declarations regarding his integrity is sinful in itself.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2011, 01:13:32 PM »
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  • EDIT: Ehh, it's not worth it.  :wink:

    I don't take anything Hoffman says seriously. He's got an axe to grind and tries to stir the pot. His claims are ridiculous.