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« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2011, 11:29:55 AM »
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  • Can the natural law, the Ten Commandments, be distinct from God and the true Faith/the one Church?

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    « Reply #46 on: February 18, 2011, 11:34:59 AM »
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  • Yes, the natural law is written on the hearts of all men, whether or not they know anything about the Faith and Holy Church.  No one is bound to obey laws which they do not and cannot know exist.
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    « Reply #47 on: February 18, 2011, 11:46:18 AM »
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  • Were there any peoples who were saved, in the OT
    time, other than God's Chosen People?

    If a code of conduct does not depend on an ultimate authority, and someone, inevitably, comes along and decides to change God's code, in what sense is that code, the natural law, written on his heart? Of what sin is he guilty?  

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    « Reply #48 on: February 18, 2011, 12:04:45 PM »
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  • FWIW, Job was not within the OT fold, yet he was clearly very pleasing to God.  None of us can know who was or was not saved before or after the coming of Christ (outside of God telling us via some kind of revelation), but God is a just judge whose decisions are absolutely perfect.  We do not need to know such things in order to play our own little parts, knowing that He alone is worthy of all honor, praise, and glory.

    God is the sole, ultimate authority in any and all circumstances and times.  Even now, the Church merely acts as His minister upon earth.  Men cannot erase or alter the law written upon their hearts, however much they may desire to do so.
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    « Reply #49 on: February 18, 2011, 12:40:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: innocenza
    Can the natural law, the Ten Commandments, be distinct from God and the true Faith/the one Church?


    This may be of interest:

    Quote from: Pohle-Preuss
    The ability of unaided human reason to know God is shown here in the definition from the Vatican Council, Sess. III, de Revel., can.i.:

    “If anyone shall say that the one true God, our Creator and Lord, cannot be certainly known by the natural light of human reason through created things; let him be anathema.”

    The proofs of this are shown in the New Testament, - Romans I, 18-20; culminating in verse 20: “For the invisible things of Him [God] from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.”

    In other words, God, Who is per se invisible, after some fashion becomes visible to human reason. Not by positive revelation, nor yet by the interior grace of faith; but solely by means of a natural revelation imbedded in the created world.



    Quote from: Spriago-Clark, The Catechism Explained
    1. God has imprinted the natural law on the heart of every man; this forms the fundamental rule of human actions.

    A young child who has done something wrong lied, perhaps, or committed a theft, feels uncomfortable, frightened, or ashamed; though it may never have heard of the Ten Commandments, it is conscious that it has done amiss. It is the same with the heathen who knows nothing about God's commandments. Hence we may conclude that there is a law of nature in every human heart, a law not written upon it, but inborn in it; an intuitive knowledge of right and wrong.

    St. Paul declares that the Gentiles do by nature those things that are of the law (what the Ten commandments enjoin), and consequently they will be judged by God according to the natural law (Rom. ii. 14-16). The characters wherein this law is inscribed upon our hearts may be obscured but not obliterated; the Roman Catechism tells us no man can be unconscious of this law, divinely imprinted upon his understanding. This natural law teaches us the most important rules of morality, e.g., that homage is due to almighty God; that no man must willfully injure himself; that we must not do to others what we would not have others do to us; furthermore from this moral code certain inferences directly follow; these are the Ten Commandments of God (the observance of the Sabbath excepted).

    Thus the natural law does not consist of a series of truths founded on reason, but is a definite expression of the will of God, which it is binding upon us to obey, and of which in individual cases we are made acquainted by means of reason. This consciousness of God’s will is conscience. Hence it is erroneous to say reason is itself the law.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #50 on: February 18, 2011, 12:53:56 PM »
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  • Thank you, SJB and GV.


     

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