Author Topic: "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist" (Read 19597 times)

Lover of Truth · « **on:** March 01, 2016, 05:24:53 AM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqgcCujfQF0&ab_channel=Rev.AnthonyCekada

Title somewhat misleading. He was not a Sedevacantist but merely admitted the possibility. Yet Salza and Sisco claim only the faithless hold that position.

Stubborn · « **Reply #1 on:** March 01, 2016, 05:32:26 AM »

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I doubt most sedevacantists will ever read that book and I think it's obvious that Fr. Cekada is doing everything he can to dissuade them in his usual underhanded fashion - especially those on the fence.

His tactics are old and so blatantly obvious and full of obvious error that I have not yet been able to watch his last few videos all the way through.

He did not even have the decency in is last video to address +ABL with the correct title of Archbishop, one which the good archbishop well earned, as he misnamed the video: "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist." Which in itself is an outright lie. Not sure who he is trying to fool with this one but his stupidity gets old after a while. Would he approve of a video named: "Tony Cekada: Renounces Sedevacantism"?

The the video opens up with his typical error; "We begin with what Catholic Traditionalists call; the question of the pope". If he were honest, he would get to the point of the video and say, "we begin with why Traditional Catholics wrongfully think the pope is the pope".

The sedevacantist position is a problem, not an answer and Fr. Cekada should be forced to relinquish his self appointed position as sede spokesman for one who actually attempts with honesty to vindicate the position.

Although I think I speak for most trads when I say that I wish deposing the pope were possible, but it's not. I also wish electing a new one as his replacement was possible, but it's not.

McCork · « **Reply #2 on:** March 01, 2016, 07:10:56 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

From another post.....
Quote from: Stubborn
I doubt most sedevacantists will ever read that book and I think it's obvious that Fr. Cekada is doing everything he can to dissuade them in his usual underhanded fashion - especially those on the fence.

His tactics are old and so blatantly obvious and full of obvious error that I have not yet been able to watch his last few videos all the way through.

He did not even have the decency in is last video to address +ABL with the correct title of Archbishop, one which the good archbishop well earned, as he misnamed the video: "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist." Which in itself is an outright lie. Not sure who he is trying to fool with this one but his stupidity gets old after a while. Would he approve of a video named: "Tony Cekada: Renounces Sedevacantism"?

The the video opens up with his typical error; "We begin with what Catholic Traditionalists call; the question of the pope". If he were honest, he would get to the point of the video and say, "we begin with why Traditional Catholics wrongfully think the pope is the pope".

The sedevacantist position is a problem, not an answer and Fr. Cekada should be forced to relinquish his self appointed position as sede spokesman for one who actually attempts with honesty to vindicate the position.

Although I think I speak for most trads when I say that I wish deposing the pope were possible, but it's not. I also wish electing a new one as his replacement was possible, but it's not.

Why is it a problem?

Disputaciones · « **Reply #3 on:** March 01, 2016, 08:13:17 PM »

Quote from: Stubborn

From another post.....
Quote from: Stubborn
I doubt most sedevacantists will ever read that book and I think it's obvious that Fr. Cekada is doing everything he can to dissuade them in his usual underhanded fashion - especially those on the fence.

His tactics are old and so blatantly obvious and full of obvious error that I have not yet been able to watch his last few videos all the way through.

He did not even have the decency in is last video to address +ABL with the correct title of Archbishop, one which the good archbishop well earned, as he misnamed the video: "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist." Which in itself is an outright lie. Not sure who he is trying to fool with this one but his stupidity gets old after a while. Would he approve of a video named: "Tony Cekada: Renounces Sedevacantism"?

The the video opens up with his typical error; "We begin with what Catholic Traditionalists call; the question of the pope". If he were honest, he would get to the point of the video and say, "we begin with why Traditional Catholics wrongfully think the pope is the pope".

The sedevacantist position is a problem, not an answer and Fr. Cekada should be forced to relinquish his self appointed position as sede spokesman for one who actually attempts with honesty to vindicate the position.

Although I think I speak for most trads when I say that I wish deposing the pope were possible, but it's not. I also wish electing a new one as his replacement was possible, but it's not.

Could you explain the difference in behavior towards the Novus Ordo and the Vatican iI popes between someone like you and a sedevacantist?

Stubborn · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2016, 06:14:08 AM »

Quote from: McCork

Quote from: Stubborn
From another post.....
Quote from: Stubborn
I doubt most sedevacantists will ever read that book and I think it's obvious that Fr. Cekada is doing everything he can to dissuade them in his usual underhanded fashion - especially those on the fence.

His tactics are old and so blatantly obvious and full of obvious error that I have not yet been able to watch his last few videos all the way through.

He did not even have the decency in is last video to address +ABL with the correct title of Archbishop, one which the good archbishop well earned, as he misnamed the video: "Marcel Lefebvre: Sedevacantist." Which in itself is an outright lie. Not sure who he is trying to fool with this one but his stupidity gets old after a while. Would he approve of a video named: "Tony Cekada: Renounces Sedevacantism"?

The the video opens up with his typical error; "We begin with what Catholic Traditionalists call; the question of the pope". If he were honest, he would get to the point of the video and say, "we begin with why Traditional Catholics wrongfully think the pope is the pope".

The sedevacantist position is a problem, not an answer and Fr. Cekada should be forced to relinquish his self appointed position as sede spokesman for one who actually attempts with honesty to vindicate the position.

Although I think I speak for most trads when I say that I wish deposing the pope were possible, but it's not. I also wish electing a new one as his replacement was possible, but it's not.

Why is it a problem?

I'm tempted to ask; why is it an answer?

At any rate, I'll let "feeneyite" Brother Andre answer as he explains it in brief and in a manner a child can understand......

First, if we have no pope, how is one to be elected? According to most sedevacantists, there has not been a pope since Pius XII. Since this is the case, there are no valid cardinals. The College of Cardinals must be vacant too, since anti-popes have been appointing these men to their positions. It is recognized that, after the College of Cardinals, the Roman clergy have authority to elect the pope. Let’s say the whole college was blown up by some Muslim during an extraordinary meeting they were holding. In that extreme circuмstance, the Roman Clergy could elect the pope, since he is their Bishop. But alas there is another problem. You see, the Roman Clergy is also vacant. Only Bishops can lawfully appoint clergy, and if there were no valid popes, there are no bishops with jurisdiction, therefore no lawful diocesan clergy. It’s a ruthless catch-22........