Author Topic: "Lay ministries" within the NO. Churc (Read 2236 times)

tlmforme · « **on:** March 02, 2011, 06:26:57 PM »

I am a person who "endured" the NO. Mass, for 40 LONG YEARS, because I had no choice. I was raised in the pre-Vatican II Latin Catholic Church. We did not have an indult Mass within 100 mis., so we just sat through abuse after abuse. I found myself missing Mass for things that I see now were just excuses. My husband, also a Cradle Cath raised in the Church before the council, no longer attends Mass at all.

As soon as the Mass of '62 was offered near here, I started attending that parish & he comes on Christmas & Easter.....but I KNOW he'll come back in time.

My question concerns what upset me the most (if I can pick between CITH, the loss of our nuns, the wreckovation of our Churches, etc. ) I think that it would be the endless "Lay Ministries". I sense such vilification of the Latin Mass & those who attend it, that I wonder if many of our "Lay Ministers" have built their self-image around the fact that they can "play priests" with their "service" as Lectors, Readers, RICA leaders, Liturgists, etc., etc.

At my old NO. parish I worked in the food kitchen dishing up plates for the poor, the ill, the drug addicts, alcoholics & homeless, people who really needed us. One of our main goals was to make each person we served realize that he/she MATTERED. Getting ANYONE to help was like pulling teeth. HOWEVER, we had, at least 6 EEM.s on the altar whether we needed them or not. They were SCHEDULED, for heaven sakes & our usual Mass attendance was around 300. We didn't need 6 EEM's at all & if the Blood of Christ was not served, we needed them even less.

I think that many (not all) NO. people just don't want to give up their IMPORTANT POSITIONS.....espcially those that are "Up Front". I also believe that this "LAY AMCHURCH" has hurt the priesthood terribly.

What are your thoughts?

Emerentiana · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2011, 06:41:58 PM »

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I think that many (not all) NO. people just don't want to give up their IMPORTANT POSITIONS.....espcially those that are "Up Front". I also believe that this "LAY AMCHURCH" has hurt the priesthood terribly.

The lay people were made to feel important , because the Apostate church had to use them to fill im the vast gaps left by the exodus of thousands of priests , nuns and brothers.

TraceG · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2011, 07:11:55 PM »

It's called pride

LM · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2011, 07:55:48 PM »

Quote from: tlmforme

I am a person who "endured" the NO. Mass, for 40 LONG YEARS, because I had no choice. I was raised in the pre-Vatican II Latin Catholic Church. We did not have an indult Mass within 100 mis., so we just sat through abuse after abuse. I found myself missing Mass for things that I see now were just excuses. My husband, also a Cradle Cath raised in the Church before the council, no longer attends Mass at all.

As soon as the Mass of '62 was offered near here, I started attending that parish & he comes on Christmas & Easter.....but I KNOW he'll come back in time.

My question concerns what upset me the most (if I can pick between CITH, the loss of our nuns, the wreckovation of our Churches, etc. ) I think that it would be the endless "Lay Ministries". I sense such vilification of the Latin Mass & those who attend it, that I wonder if many of our "Lay Ministers" have built their self-image around the fact that they can "play priests" with their "service" as Lectors, Readers, RICA leaders, Liturgists, etc., etc.

At my old NO. parish I worked in the food kitchen dishing up plates for the poor, the ill, the drug addicts, alcoholics & homeless, people who really needed us. One of our main goals was to make each person we served realize that he/she MATTERED. Getting ANYONE to help was like pulling teeth. HOWEVER, we had, at least 6 EEM.s on the altar whether we needed them or not. They were SCHEDULED, for heaven sakes & our usual Mass attendance was around 300. We didn't need 6 EEM's at all & if the Blood of Christ was not served, we needed them even less.

I think that many (not all) NO. people just don't want to give up their IMPORTANT POSITIONS.....espcially those that are "Up Front". I also believe that this "LAY AMCHURCH" has hurt the priesthood terribly.

What are your thoughts?

There is definitely a movement within the Church that uses a corruption of the "priesthood of the people" to invert Her hierarchical nature, creating a structure where it becomes a lay run "Church" including blurring the difference between the ordained and the laity.

tlmforme · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:09:59 AM »

I don't think that the blending of the ordained priesthood & the laity was caused by the great exodus of priests post Vatican II. I think that it was part of the "active participation" agenda at Vat. II. It seemed as if the hierarchy post council thought that one's feet or mouth or both had to be moving in order to "actively participate".

At the Latin Mass, my mind, heart & soul are moving.....praying the age old prayers with the priest, working to become closer to God, to hear Him, to do my best to participate in the Sacrifice being made on the Altar.

I have been around so many NO. Catholics who are downright hostile to the TLM. Could it be that they don't want to give up their "titles".

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2006/05/opus-dei-bishop-robert-finn-cleans.html

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An excerpt:
Several months into the job, Bishop Robert W. Finn has made changes in the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph that some people feared and others hoped for.

After taking over in late May, Finn:

Replaced the leadership team of his predecessor, Bishop Raymond J. Boland.
More than halved the diocese’s funding of a longstanding center that trained Catholic laypersons to help in their parishes. Stopped publishing the column of a theologian [Rev. Richard McBrien] often at odds with the Vatican, a move that caused an outcry from some readers of the diocesan newspaper.

It caused more than an outcry from the people who are Liturgists, permanent deacons, EEM's, Lectors, etc.

I was born in 1941 & attended Mass daily from the time I was 5 yrs. old until I was 17.......then, every Sunday & Holy Day, Mission, Novena, etc. after the babies started coming.
During all that time, I saw TWO old ladies who prayed the rosary during Mass. (They were very odd women, two sisters that the children called the Church Mice. They were at Church ALL OF THE TIME. They kind of hovered around, one didn't see them at first, but sooner or later they'd meekly shuffle by.)

As far as I'm concerned we participate more actively at the TLM.

I can't help but wonder....we Trads are constantly accused of being "holier than thou", yet we don't feel a need to be in the Sanctuary playing priest. :scratchchin: