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Offline Marlelar

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« on: June 18, 2015, 05:31:24 PM »
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  • "It's a blunt, readable booklet full of zingers that will make many conservatives and climate doubters squirm, including in the U.S. Congress, where Francis will deliver the first-ever papal address in September."

    Since when are encyclicals "full of zingers"?  Did Pius X write "zingers"?

    I suspect Francis and the NO church will become even more irrelevant after this one gets around.

    I downloaded a pdf from papal encyclicals dot net but have not yet had the stomach to read it.

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    « Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 08:58:49 PM »
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  •  :wink:
    Quote from: Marlelar
    Since when are encyclicals "full of zingers"?  


    I don't know.  I always kind of thought the Syllabus of Errors was pretty much a list of zingers against the Modernists. :wink: :wink:


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    « Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 10:35:03 PM »
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  • I always thought that Pope Leo's Rerum Novarum was a good starting point for studying morality and the economy.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 19, 2015, 02:19:00 AM »
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  • Webster:  zinger: : a quick and clever comment that criticizes or insults someone.

    The Syllabus was a list or errors (sins), the Pope wanted to lead people away from hell.

    Francis states his purpose thus:

     "In this Encyclical, I would like to enter into dialogue with all people about our common home. (paragraph 3).  

    It's almost 200 pages of "dialogue".

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    « Reply #4 on: June 19, 2015, 02:50:00 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marlelar

    I downloaded a pdf from papal encyclicals dot net but have not yet had the stomach to read it.


    The whole idea bespeaks that the encyclical itself is the immense pile of filth.

    I would not bother to read it, the whole idea is depressing enough, no sense torturing yourself by reading it  - as Fr. Wathen states it when he was talking about V2 documents; "We said above that it is not important what the wording of the decrees is, since no one bothers to read them anymore - something totally unsurprising, since they were not meant to be read, only generically referred to."
    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man." - Fr. Hesse


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    « Reply #5 on: June 23, 2015, 12:56:37 AM »
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  • Speaking of an immense pile of filth. Just remember no matter how high that pile of filth is it doesnt come close to the filth of one mortal sin.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 23, 2015, 06:22:08 AM »
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  • Poche, did you stop to consider that this "encyclical" could be viewed as an immense pile of mortal sin?  This is a leftist (communist) political screed dressed up as "Catholic doctrine" from the Chair of Peter.  We suffering Catholics are horrified witnesses of one of the fruits of Papal disobedience to Our Lady of Fatima ....  Wake up, buddy.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 23, 2015, 10:45:11 AM »
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    Speaking of an immense pile of filth. Just remember no matter how high that pile of filth is it doesnt come close to the filth of one mortal sin.


    Am I missing something? What does your comparison have to do with this thread?

    Mortal sin is filth, of course, but that doesn't cancel out the filthiness of this encyclical. Open your eyes, Poche, and quit trying to divert ours.
    Religion clean and undefiled before God and the Father, is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their tribulation: and to keep one's self unspotted from this world.
    ~James 1:27


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    « Reply #8 on: June 23, 2015, 01:05:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    Speaking of an immense pile of filth. Just remember no matter how high that pile of filth is it doesnt come close to the filth of one mortal sin.


    Poche,

    Did Pope Francis allude to "mortal sin" even once in his latest encyclical?


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    « Reply #9 on: June 24, 2015, 12:11:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Domitilla
    Poche, did you stop to consider that this "encyclical" could be viewed as an immense pile of mortal sin?  This is a leftist (communist) political screed dressed up as "Catholic doctrine" from the Chair of Peter.  We suffering Catholics are horrified witnesses of one of the fruits of Papal disobedience to Our Lady of Fatima ....  Wake up, buddy.


    I am simply saying that when we talk about filth there is no filth comparable to that of one mortal sin.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 24, 2015, 12:36:45 AM »
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  •  In his new encyclical on the environment, Pope Francis slams attacks against human life such as abortion, embryonic experimentation and population control – saying that respect for creation and human dignity go hand in hand.

    The Pope explained that “a sense of deep communion with the rest of nature cannot be real if our hearts lack tenderness, compassion and concern for our fellow human beings.”

    “At times we see an obsession with denying any pre-eminence to the human person; more zeal is shown in protecting other species than in defending the dignity which all human beings share in equal measure,” he said.

    The Pope's encyclical “Laudato Si,” meaning “Praise be to You,” was published Thursday, June 18. Its name is taken from St. Francis of Assisi's medieval Italian prayer “Canticle of the Sun,” which praises God through elements of creation like Brother Sun, Sister Moon, and “our sister Mother Earth.”

    In early 2014, the Vatican announced the Pope's plans to write on the theme of “human ecology” – a phrase that was previously used by retired pontiff Benedict XVI.

    While the 184-page encyclical wades into controversial topics such as climate change, it also aggressively argues that it is not possible to effectively care for the environment without first working to defend human life.

    It is “clearly inconsistent” to combat the trafficking of endangered species while remaining indifferent toward the trafficking of persons, to the poor and to the decision of many “to destroy another human being deemed unwanted,” the Pope stated.

    To have this attitude, he said, “compromises the very meaning of our struggle for the sake of the environment.”

    Francis also highlighted that concern for the protection of nature is “incompatible with the justification of abortion.”

    “How can we genuinely teach the importance of concern for other vulnerable beings, however troublesome or inconvenient they may be, if we fail to protect a human embryo, even when its presence is uncomfortable and creates difficulties?” he asked.

    Once the ability to welcome a new life is lost on the part of individuals and society, other forms of acceptance also “wither away,” he said, warning against a “culture of relativism” that sees an absence of any objective truth outside of our own immediate wants and needs.

    The Pope also addressed the highly-debated topic of population control, a proposed solution to problems stemming from poverty and maintaining a sustainable consumption of the earth’s resources.

    “Instead of resolving the problems of the poor and thinking of how the world can be different, some can only propose a reduction in the birth rate,” Francis lamented.

    He denounced the fact that developing countries often receive pressure from international organizations who make economic assistance “contingent on certain policies of 'reproductive health.'”

    Even though an unequal distribution of population and available resources presents obstacles to development and environmental sustainability, “it must nonetheless be recognized that demographic growth is fully compatible with an integral and shared development,” he stressed.

    To blame a growing population for these problems rather than the “extreme and selective consumerism on the part of some, is one way of refusing to face the issues.”

    Such scapegoating “is an attempt to legitimize the present model of distribution, where a minority believes that it has the right to consume in a way which can never be universalized, since the planet could not even contain the waste products of such consumption,” the Pope said, calling for an end to food waste.

    Francis also rejected some ecological movements’ discontinuity in calling for limitations to be placed on environmental scientific research, while at the same time failing to apply the same principals to human life.

    As an example, he noted that within science, there is “a tendency to justify transgressing all boundaries when experimentation is carried out on living human embryos.”

    “We forget that the inalienable worth of a human being transcends his or her degree of development,” he said, adding that once technology disregards ethical principles, “it ends up considering any practice whatsoever as licit.”

    “When we fail to acknowledge as part of reality the worth of a poor person, a human embryo, a person with disabilities – to offer just a few examples – it becomes difficult to hear the cry of nature itself; everything is connected.”

    Once the human being seeks absolute dominion, the foundations of our life “begin to crumble,” the Pope said, so that instead of cooperating with God, man puts himself in God’s place “and thus ends up provoking a rebellion on the part of nature.”

    In the encyclical, Pope Francis also spoke of the importance of accepting and caring for one’s body, since it is through the body that man relates to the environment and to other living things.

    He cautioned against seeking to exercise “absolute power” over our bodies as if they were something that we own, saying that “man too has a nature that he must respect and that he cannot manipulate at will.”

    Accepting and caring for our bodies in their truest nature is essential for human ecology, he said, and stressed that this acceptance includes “valuing one’s own body in its femininity or masculinity.”

    In acknowledging differences, “we can joyfully accept the specific gifts of another man or woman, the work of God the Creator, and find mutual enrichment,” the Pope observed.

    An attitude which seeks “to cancel out sexual difference because it no longer knows how to confront it” is unhealthy, he said.

    The pontiff also pointed to the important role families play in educating on a true integral human and environmental ecology since they are the place where life is welcomed and protected, and where human growth is developed.

    “In the face of the so-called culture of death, the family is the heart of the culture of life,” he said.

    Family life is where children first learn how “to show love and respect for life; we are taught the proper use of things, order and cleanliness, respect for the local ecosystem and care for all creatures,” as well as how to be grateful for what they’ve been given and to ask for forgiveness when they’ve caused harm, he explained.

    “These simple gestures of heartfelt courtesy help to create a culture of shared life and respect for our surroundings.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-blasts-abortion-population-control-in-new-encyclical-10491/

    The encyclical really only has 74 pages including footnotes.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 24, 2015, 12:45:31 AM »
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  •  Pope Francis' new encyclical on the environment calls for men and women to acknowledge their bodies as a gift from God which should not be manipulated.

    “The acceptance of our bodies as God's gift is vital for welcoming and accepting the entire world as a gift from the Father and our common home,” the Pope wrote, “whereas thinking that we enjoy absolute power over our own bodies turns, often subtly, into thinking that we enjoy absolute power over creation.”

    The Pope's encyclical “Laudato Si,” meaning “Praise be to You,” was published Thursday, June 18. Its name is taken from St. Francis of Assisi's medieval Italian prayer “Canticle of the Sun,” which praises God through elements of creation like Brother Sun, Sister Moon, and “our sister Mother Earth.”

    In early 2014, the Vatican announced the Pope's plans to write on the theme of “human ecology” – a phrase that was previously used by Pope emeritus Benedict XVI.

    While the 184-page encyclical wades into controversial topics such as climate change, it also aggressively argues that it is not possible to effectively care for the environment without first working to defend human life and dignity.

    The Pope wrote that human ecology implies the profound reality of “the relationship between human life and the moral law, which is inscribed in our nature and is necessary for the creation of a more dignified environment.”

    Pope Francis quoted from his predecessor, Benedict XVI, saying that there is an “ecology of man” because “man too has a nature that he must respect and that he cannot manipulate at will.”

    Benedict's words came from his Sept. 22, 2011 address to the German parliament on the foundations of law. He had discussed the importance of the ecological movement for its realization that “the earth has a dignity of its own and that we must follow its directives.” Man, he added, “does not create himself. He is intellect and will, but he is also nature, and his will is rightly ordered if he respects his nature, listens to it and accepts himself for who he is, as one who did not create himself.”

    After quoting Benedict, Pope Francis said that “our body itself establishes us in a direct relationship with the environment and with other living beings,” and that the acceptance of one's body helps one to accept and honor the entire world as a gift.

    “Learning to accept our body, to care for it and to respect its fullest meaning, is an essential element of any genuine human ecology.”

    He then turned to the importance of sexual complementarity, adding that “valuing one’s own body in its femininity or masculinity is necessary if I am going to be able to recognize myself in an encounter with someone who is different. In this way we can joyfully accept the specific gifts of another man or woman, the work of God the Creator, and find mutual enrichment.”

    Pope Francis referred to his own General Audience address of April 15, saying that “It is not a healthy attitude which would seek 'to cancel out sexual difference because it no longer knows how to confront it.'”

    In that address, on the complementarity of man and woman, he had touched on the importance of the two sexes and their reciprocal needs.

    He lamented that contemporary culture has introduced doubt and skepticism over sexual complementarity: “For example, I ask myself, if the so-called gender theory is not, at the same time, an expression of frustration and resignation, which seeks to cancel out sexual difference because it no longer knows how to confront it … the removal of difference in fact creates a problem, not a solution.”

    Pope Francis' jab at gender theory – which gives a basis for transgender identification – in his encyclical came in the context of a discussion on the “ecology of daily life,” during which he also discussed integral improvement in the quality of human life; creativity in responding to one's environment; the brutality arising from poverty; urban planning; lack of housing; public transportation; and rural life.

    The larger context of the Pope's words on the ecology of daily life came in his chapter on integral ecology, during which he also mentioned environmental, economic, and social ecology; cultural ecology; the common good; and inter-generational justice.
     

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/the-popes-take-on-transgender-issues-accept-the-body-god-gave-you-56797/

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    « Reply #12 on: June 24, 2015, 02:58:05 AM »
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  • While President Obama welcomed the Pope's messages on the need for environmental change, the Prime Minister, Mr Abbott, a devote Catholic, has refused to be drawn.

    President Obama said he deeply admired the pope's decision "to make the case -clearly, powerfully, and with the full moral authority of his position -- for action on global climate change." He said he shared the pope's view that "we have a profound responsibility to protect our children, and our children's children, from the damaging impacts of climate change" and he said he looks forward to discussing this issue with the pope when he visits the White House in September.


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    When the Attorney-General George Brandis was asked why the Prime Minister had not responded to the Pope, he replied: "I'll tell you what we will be doing, Senator Waters, we will be setting our priorities and making our policy decisions in accordance and good public policy, not in accordance with theology."

    That's what people think about LS: It's theology.  Naturalist theology.

     
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/pope-francis-tweets-our-earth-our-home-is-becoming-an-immense-pile-of-filth-20150624-ghweit.html


    http://www.americancatholic.org/news/report.aspx?id=19628


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