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"Holy" Mother Church cannot sin....
« on: January 02, 2016, 05:54:03 PM »
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  • I thought I would branch this out since so many threads start to stray into other tangent discussions.

    I made the claim that what the Church is aware of in Her realm of responsibility, she cannot fail to condemn what is bad, and Her silence indicates official permission. This is just like a mother who is outside watching her children. If her boys are climbing a tree, and she says nothing, this positively indicates that she is giving tacit permission for them to do so. If the boys see their mother look at them as them climb higher, they can be fully confident that they are permitted to do so, even though she never speak a word.

    If her boys were kicking a neighbourhood girl in the head, and the mother did nothing after seeing it, she would sin.

    Holy Mother Church cannot sin, even by Her silence.

    There are 9 ways that we can be guily of another's sin:
    1. By counsel (to give advice, one's opinion or instructions.)
    2. By command (to demand, to order, such as in the military.)
    3. By consent (to give permission, to approve, to agree to.)
    4. By provocation (to dare.)
    5. By praise or flattery (to cheer, to applaud, to commend.)
    6. By concealment (to hide the action, to cover-up.)
    7. By partaking (to take part, to participate.)
    8. By silence (by playing dumb, by remaining quiet.)
    9. By defense of the ill done (to justify, to argue in favour.)

    Holy Mother Church cannot possibly sin in any of these, ways, and my particular focus here is to show She cannot sin by Her silence.

    Take at look at the next quote from a pope from the 1874 encyclical, Omnem Sollicitudinem:

    "the liturgy of the Ruthenians can be no other than that which was either instituted by the holy fathers of the Church or ratified by the canons of synods or introduced by legitimate use, always with the express or tacit approval of the Apostolic See."

    This speaks merely of a particular Mass rite of the Ruthenians which is rather localized in the Eastern part of the Church, and the Church is so Holy that here the pope says that even the "tacit" approval of the Holy See makes it good. That means the silent allowance, like when a mother sees her son climb a small tree and says nothing...it signifies approval by the silence. And the Church can NOT go wrong in such a tacit approval.

    A couple of other quick excerpts showing the same impeccability in regard to the Church:
    "it was accordingly quite impossible that the Apostolic See should tacitly allow or tolerate such a custom."  (Pope Leo XIII, Apostolicae Curae)

    "It has also been confirmed either expressly or tacitly by the Apostolic See." (Benedict XIV, Allatae Sunt)


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    "Holy" Mother Church cannot sin....
    « Reply #1 on: January 02, 2016, 06:51:26 PM »
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  • I posted this because Feeneyite-Ecuмenist (sick) "Cantarella" couldn't accept my claim, so here is the proof.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 03, 2016, 04:47:30 AM »
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  • See, you've shown twice now that you know how to start a thread.

    Too bad it is impossible for you to start a thread defending and promoting the necessity unto salvation of one of the sacraments. Quite sad actually.

     
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 05:43:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: McCork
    I posted this because Feeneyite-Ecuмenist (sick) "Cantarella" couldn't accept my claim, so here is the proof.


    What do you mean by "Feeneyite-Ecuмeist?"  At first blush, that sound contradictory--an oxymoron.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 03, 2016, 07:30:59 AM »
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    Quote from: McCork
    I posted this because Feeneyite-Ecuмenist (sick) "Cantarella" couldn't accept my claim, so here is the proof.


    What do you mean by "Feeneyite-Ecuмeist?"  At first blush, that sound contradictory--an oxymoron.


    At second and third blush also!


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    « Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 05:43:03 PM »
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    I made the claim that what the Church is aware of in Her realm of responsibility, she cannot fail to condemn what is bad, and Her silence indicates official permission.


    McCork has clearly now been outed as Nado.  Nado is the only other person ever to have promoted this preposterous theory.

    Matthew, please reban Nado (aka "McCork").


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    "Holy" Mother Church cannot sin....
    « Reply #6 on: January 03, 2016, 06:28:34 PM »
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  • A similar poster has been banned from SD.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 03, 2016, 07:24:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: McCork
    I made the claim that what the Church is aware of in Her realm of responsibility, she cannot fail to condemn what is bad, and Her silence indicates official permission.


    McCork has clearly now been outed as Nado.  Nado is the only other person ever to have promoted this preposterous theory.

    Matthew, please reban Nado (aka "McCork").



    I see, so to avoid looking like a heretic by attacking the Church quotes I just gave, you wish to attack the messenger!  Not a new ploy.

    As well, Ladislaus falls into the logical fallacy of guilt by association. As if there can possibly be only ONE person who believes something and no other!   :facepalm:


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    « Reply #8 on: January 04, 2016, 03:11:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: McCork
    I made the claim that what the Church is aware of in Her realm of responsibility, she cannot fail to condemn what is bad, and Her silence indicates official permission.


    McCork has clearly now been outed as Nado.  Nado is the only other person ever to have promoted this preposterous theory.

    Matthew, please reban Nado (aka "McCork").



    Yes, there simply can't be two Nado's, McCork must be the torNado.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #9 on: January 04, 2016, 11:58:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    Quote from: Ladislaus
    Quote from: McCork
    I made the claim that what the Church is aware of in Her realm of responsibility, she cannot fail to condemn what is bad, and Her silence indicates official permission.


    McCork has clearly now been outed as Nado.  Nado is the only other person ever to have promoted this preposterous theory.

    Matthew, please reban Nado (aka "McCork").



    Yes, there simply can't be two Nado's, McCork must be the torNado.


    Apparently this topic I have created hits deep against Feeneyism. Not the slightest rebuttal and the 3 big Feeneyites pop up to attack the poster instead of what he just quoted from papal encyclicals. It just goes to show that y'all have something preposterous in your heads in regard to the nature of Holy Mother Church.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 05, 2016, 08:55:48 AM »
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  • Nice, McCork, but please explicitly deny that you are the same person as was posting under the screen name Nado here on CI.  No mental reservations allowed.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 05, 2016, 08:58:04 AM »
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    As if there can possibly be only ONE person who believes something and no other!   :facepalm:


    I have not seen this position advocated EVER by ANYONE ELSE other than Nado.  Not even the most dogmatic of SVs would hold this position.  No Catholic theologian has ever held this position.  In addition, the posting style of McCork closely resembles that of Nado.  Busted, dude!

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    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2016, 09:04:40 AM »
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  • He's Nado and you're right - they both posts things that come out of the same comic book.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #13 on: January 05, 2016, 06:00:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ladislaus
    Nice, McCork, but please explicitly deny that you are the same person as was posting under the screen name Nado here on CI.  No mental reservations allowed.


    You did this a few weeks ago to divert from the subject at hand, when you suddenly came out with an interrogation of me about "negative infallibility", which never applied to me. No, I am not going to play games and divert from the subject at hand. I will never affirm or deny your interrogation. Stew on it.

    Now back to what you think of a Catholic, papal encyclical. Don't hide from what it says.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 05, 2016, 06:04:42 PM »
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    As if there can possibly be only ONE person who believes something and no other!   :facepalm:


    I have not seen this position advocated EVER by ANYONE ELSE other than Nado.  Not even the most dogmatic of SVs would hold this position.  No Catholic theologian has ever held this position.  In addition, the posting style of McCork closely resembles that of Nado.  Busted, dude!


    "you have not seen" therefore it doesn't exist! More stubborn insane logic.

    Most dogmatic SVs would not hold my position? As if you have interrogated them all specifically about that? No you haven't.

    No Catholic theologian?  As if you knew all the writing of the the Catholic theologians!!!  Not.

    ....and yet, the very top theologians of the Church, that is popes who give the final word, I have quoted....and you reject what they say.