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Offline Classiccom

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« Reply #100 on: September 08, 2008, 03:58:40 PM »
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Offline Cletus

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« Reply #101 on: September 08, 2008, 04:23:09 PM »
If you're a Catholic, you believe that the fact of Papal Infallibility goes back to the personal will of Jesus Christ as regards the nature of the Petrine office and ministry.

So it's not just a question of the dogma as coming from Pius IX.

It's also a question of the Idea of Peter as coming from the Sacred Head.

You have to assent to the dogma as proposed by the Church.

Are you allowed to have or express regrets that the dogma was ever defined?

I think that I am safe in saying that Christ will be none too pleased upon His return with those whom He finds doing either.
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Offline Cletus

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« Reply #102 on: September 08, 2008, 04:49:04 PM »
There is no such thing as a "prophetic" role in the official Catholic scheme of things.

There are Supreme Pontiffs. There are defined dogmas. There are canonized saints. There are seven Sacraments. There is a body of theology from Doctors and Approved Authors about certain dread possibilities where the Roman Pontiff (or the semblance of one) is concerned.

There are no prophets.

Except for the prophets in the Old Testament and for the King and the Queen of Prophets.

Let's all put aside our various colorful quirks and kinks and shticks and admit to this simple Catholic fact.

Then, if we want to let loose for what we think good reason with our own personal theologies and apocalypses, let's do that. But let's be honest about it and make the distinction.

For example.

I find it useful to term St Bridget of Sweden ("This pope was a murderer of souls!") a prophet and, say, St Robert Bellarmine (the stupid laity are better off being misled by clerics than being left to their own devices) a Baroque fussbudget because there is something that I think needs to be said as mordantly and memorably as possible against a growing clericalism among Traditionalists whereby, for example, Catholic parents who write letters to their Modernist Yet Valid Local Ordinaries protesting the Satanistic debauching of their children are piously chided by fellow Traditionalists for lacking respect for the Cloth and the Crook.

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Offline roscoe

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« Reply #103 on: September 08, 2008, 05:43:57 PM »
Leo XIII and St Pius X weren't the only Popes to have a prophetic vision of the Church being in mortal(v2) danger.

There was one Pius IX who insisted on the Infallible Constitution being defined so the faithful would have something to guide them when that mortal danger did occur(1958).

Without the Infallible Constitution of Holy Church THERE IS NO CHURCH.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM#4 and #6
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Offline roscoe

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« Reply #104 on: September 08, 2008, 06:09:47 PM »
Could Classicom give us his source for the prophesies of Leo XIII and St Pius( not that I am doubting them).
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