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"He who hears you, hears Me..."
« Reply #95 on: September 04, 2008, 04:55:27 AM »

"He who hears you, hears Me..."
« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2008, 09:56:59 AM »
What's this all about now?

Biden was bad on Iraq. He's much better now.

So what?

How does mixing his badness on Iraq with the Catholic Church's imagined badness on infallibility and the temporal sword in the 19th century make any sense?

Seriously and with all respect, I strongly recommend a return to the "Home Alone method." Work and family obligations aside, not a second should be wasted away from home on activities that do not relate directly to developing some kind of Catholic Sense from reading old Catholic books.

The autobiography of St Anthony Mary Claret would be good start.

And just for the record, Biden's statements about Catholicism are stupid and hypocritical and disgustingly carnal. What a low-minded man.

There is no abuse of power more outrageous than the general abuse that led to Vatican II and sustains the New Pentecost. (Not that the villains involved have any real power in my "sedevacantist" book.)

Modernist and Liberal priests and prelates want people to question God. Why? Because, being Men of Sin, they give THEMSELVES out as God. They cannot bear even the "accent of reproof." God is a rival. They want to dissolve His power base in this world. That is, people of faith.

"You're just an ignorant, untrained layman! You have no right to an opinion! Hans Kung is a great scholar! He knows better!"

No, the Vatican II cult does not encourage questioning in general. It encourages only apostasy. It is a just the main hideous head on the ten-headed Beast of wicked totalitarianism.

How does Biden stack up on Life issues? A little worse than Pope Pius IX did, maybe?



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« Reply #97 on: September 04, 2008, 12:35:38 PM »
Cletus Quote

"You're just an ignorant, untrained layman! You have no right to an opinion!"

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   But at least I know you don't substitute pennies for fuses in the fuse box. You might get away with it for a number of years, but when you have a problem, there is no protection from a catastrophic fire. With this notion of Infallibility, you don't need prophets anymore. How can a prophet overturn the notion of infallibility? So when you circuмvent the prophet's role, then the only alternative is the Day of the Lord. As far as I remember, that is supposed to be a big fire.

    The point I was trying illustrate about Biden, is that when the Church acts more like a political structure rather than spiritual, then people are going to disregard the Church's guidance and use their street sense (worldly based). To me that is the tragedy.

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« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2008, 02:53:48 PM »
That was not a Cletus quote. That was Cletus epitomizing the way in which Novus Ordo clerics put down laymen who in any way resist the Novus Ordo.

The reason why I brought up the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Novus Ordo tyrants is that the ungodly comments of the Bad Novus Ordo Catholic Biden are being accorded approval here in an odd, back door way.

Biden certainly does not share the ecclesiological views of "Mr. Infallible."

So in that respect is Biden a better Catholic than Pius IX?

The Church of Christ offered Catholic souls a lot more than worldly politics in Biden's formative years, the 1940s and 1950s. That's not what people tuned in to Fulton J Sheen for.

We have to try to be clear on what we believe and what our gripes are and with whom we have those gripes. We can't just be confused and unhappy as Catholics and start lashing out in all directions. Sooner rather than later, the Father of Lies directs us in ONE direction. And then we declare open season on Pius IX and start finding nice things to say about Hans Kung, insofar as Hans Kung does not share this or that theological defect of Pius IX.

Could there be ways in which certain theological and pious trends in, say, the Counter-Reformation period ironically lent themselves to the evil doings of the false Vatican Council of the early 1960s?

I believe that that's exactly what happened. A certain "prophetic" sense was excommunicated from the Church in favor of a prissy, fussy, Baroquely unctious fear of "scandal", of rocking the official Catholic boat.

This is how the unorthodox likes of Cardinal Newman were allowed to become Big Catholic Noises as the orthodox sat on their hands. Newman made a mockery of Biblical Inerrancy. His clerical Catholic opponents  squawked a bit and then backed down. Under pressure from their superiors, no doubt. Criticizing a bona fide Catholic big shot such as Newman was bad for Catholic business. Dirty politics have always been a big part of how the Catholic Church operates even insofar as doctrine and the salvation of souls are concerned, "humanly speaking". Absolutely.

It is sickening to compare what such "prophets" as Saint Bridget of Sweden and Saint Bernard said and did in the case of corrupt Churchmen to what even some of the greatest saints of the fussy, old maidish post-Trent era said and did.

But Jesus Christ Almighty was wrong to make His Vicar infallible because...? Because....? Because....?

It's mere "street sense" to view the Dogma of Infallibility in terms of Church politics.

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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2008, 03:15:52 PM »
Pope Pius IX(mr Infallible)  was highly suspicious of Newman and would not hear of him being a Cardinal. It is really the only mistake I can find by Leo XIII when he was cajoled for political purposes into doing just that.