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And if most 'sedes' don't know of or agree with the Siri election and there are many diff 'sede'  theories, could you name a couple: what reason do they give for the Papacy being in so drastic a condition and the v2 anti-council?

IMO a line of illegal anti-popes sure seems like it would and could cause something like this.

Roscoe, you're getting as bad as I am with the one-right-after-another posts. Or have I been getting as bad as you? :scratchchin:

I indicated some of the different theories about some of the Vatican II popes. It's not as though the different sedevacantists are making things up as they go along. They are trying to relate the facts of the Vatican II Armageddon to the opinions of various weighty theologians as to apparent popes who are not popes because they are heretics.

I have never come across a sedevacantist who imagines that he has it all sewn up with no loose ends when it comes to explaining these things with Scholastic precision.

I have always thought that sedevacantists are strongest when they are following the "via negativa" and saying what is not and could not be the case with popes and the Church at any time: iffy canonizations by a true pope which one may mock and denounce willy-nilly, for example.

I think that what Pope Leo XIII said about opening up the Church's records to historians and letting the chips fall where they may would have been rather different had he envisioned thousands and thousands of laymen opining negatively in the open forum on, say, his own way of dealing with the Americanist crisis, and not just three or four white-bearded historians finding juicy tid-bits for tomes that hardly anyone would read.