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Author Topic: "Fr" Isaac Relyea in Post Falls this week  (Read 1586 times)

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Re: "Fr" Isaac Relyea in Post Falls this week
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2026, 10:52:43 AM »
I'm thinking of someone like Cesare Borgia who was made a Cardinal by his father Pope Alexander VI.
I highly doubt Cesare spent an hour in a seminary.
Seminary isn’t required for valid rites.  But the essential form is, which V2 doesn’t use. 

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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2026, 10:53:49 AM »
Wrong. I just haven't allowed sedevacantism to influence my views on any and every given trad topic.

The reason why Fr. Hesse isn't much discussed here anymore is that he also didn't allow sedevacantism to influence him. Though he wasn't hostile to it. Anyone who hasn't adopted outlying sedevacantist views (such as the ordination question) is considered suspect here.
Bishop Tissier isn’t Sede and he was a main proponent that the new rites are doubtful.  He wrote multiple studies on the subject. 


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« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2026, 11:40:58 AM »
Bishop Tissier isn’t Sede and he was a main proponent that the new rites are doubtful.  He wrote multiple studies on the subject.

They can of course be doubtful. Each case has to be investigated. Did Bp. Tissier conditionally ordain all Novus Ordo priests who went over to the SSPX? Do you have any evidence of that? As far as I know, the Society never changed how they go about dealing with NO priests who go over to them.

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« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2026, 12:02:15 PM »
Reportedly there are so many of them in Europe that it's impossible to track anymore ... and the concern is that the US may end up in the same predicament.  Even if your chapel is served by a priest who's legitimately SSPX-ordained, if you happen to miss a week, now do you have to inquire about who had been there last week to decide if you can even receive Holy Communion on Sunday?
At least we can start one by one in the US as this occurs. There is only a finite number of priests in the SSPX.

Missing a Sunday and not knowing would be unfortunate, but there's only so much we can do. That would be a negative doubt, unless you asked who was there last week, if they even introduced themself. 

By continuing to keep track of doubtful priests, awareness of the issue will spread and apply persistent pressure.

Of course, the whole issue is a matter of doubt, but I wonder how many NO priests aren't really priests considering the new rite hasn't been explicitly condemned by the church, and how can there be perpetual successors of Peter if those NO Popes are not priests?

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« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2026, 12:21:45 PM »
They can of course be doubtful. Each case has to be investigated. Did Bp. Tissier conditionally ordain all Novus Ordo priests who went over to the SSPX? Do you have any evidence of that? As far as I know, the Society never changed how they go about dealing with NO priests who go over to them.
No, no, no.  +Tissier said the new rites are doubtful.  (All of them).  

It's a separate question on whether all novus ordo priests were conditionally ordained, as that's not +Tissier's decision.  I'm sure he gave his opinion they should all be conditionally redone, but +Fellay and the leadership team are in charge.