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Offline parentsfortruth

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"EF masses"
« on: September 27, 2011, 01:37:41 PM »
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    • So, I went to an "EF mass" this Sunday with a childhood friend whom I haven't seen in 15 years. We'd tried to go to one listed on traditio where Father McGuire supposedly says Mass, but when we got there, there wasn't any Church there, and the address listed must have been incorrect.

    Anyway, the Church building was beautiful, and it didn't look like the Novus Ordo was coexisting there. It looked very old.

    I don't know if it's just me, but when I go into a Church, I can actually FEEL the presence of God when He is there. What's really strange about this, is that even though the church was beautiful, et cetera, I just didn't get that same vibe from this particular church.

    And, of course, when you compromise like that, you see the predictable nonsense... women wearing pants, little girls wearing pants, lots of women not covering their heads, a girl with fishnet-like tights and a very short skirt, et cetera.

    Of course I wouldn't go to communion in a place like that. The priest (I looked him up when I was researching where to go) used to be a chaplain for the military. I have no doubt he's a nice person most likely, but he has/still does say the bogus ordo. I didn't want to have to take her there, but I wanted to at least take her so she could see how it's done.

    Also, predictibly, they used the 62 missal, eliminating the second confitior, et cetera.

    The sermon was nice, but it just wasn't the same.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience?
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    Offline Stephen Francis

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    "EF masses"
    « Reply #1 on: September 27, 2011, 02:11:41 PM »
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    • I don't attend 'services' at the local Church building near me (they are all totally NO-centric).

    That said, however, the older of the two Church buildings near me is absolutely gorgeous, with beautiful old stained glass, antique statuary, an incredible altar behind the Bogus Ordo 'table', and a stunning exterior.

    I go in sometimes when there's nothing scheduled (like after everyone from the NO has left, but the place isn't closed for the day yet) and just admire all of the beauty and transcendence that was intentionally put in place to honor Our Lord.
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    "EF masses"
    « Reply #2 on: September 27, 2011, 04:08:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    So, I went to an "EF mass" this Sunday with a childhood friend whom I haven't seen in 15 years. We'd tried to go to one listed on traditio where Father McGuire supposedly says Mass, but when we got there, there wasn't any Church there, and the address listed must have been incorrect.

    Anyway, the Church building was beautiful, and it didn't look like the Novus Ordo was coexisting there. It looked very old.

    I don't know if it's just me, but when I go into a Church, I can actually FEEL the presence of God when He is there. What's really strange about this, is that even though the church was beautiful, et cetera, I just didn't get that same vibe from this particular church.

    And, of course, when you compromise like that, you see the predictable nonsense... women wearing pants, little girls wearing pants, lots of women not covering their heads, a girl with fishnet-like tights and a very short skirt, et cetera.

    Of course I wouldn't go to communion in a place like that. The priest (I looked him up when I was researching where to go) used to be a chaplain for the military. I have no doubt he's a nice person most likely, but he has/still does say the bogus ordo. I didn't want to have to take her there, but I wanted to at least take her so she could see how it's done.

    Also, predictibly, they used the 62 missal, eliminating the second confitior, et cetera.

    The sermon was nice, but it just wasn't the same.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience?


    If trads ever wonder why the TLM isn't more widespread, posts like this illustrate it perfectly.



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    "EF masses"
    « Reply #3 on: September 27, 2011, 04:10:17 PM »
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    • If Trads ever wonder why the TLM isn't more widespread, posts like the one from SouthernBelle above illustrate it perfectly.
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    Offline Charles

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    "EF masses"
    « Reply #4 on: September 27, 2011, 04:13:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: SouthernBelle
    Quote from: parentsfortruth
    So, I went to an "EF mass" this Sunday with a childhood friend whom I haven't seen in 15 years. We'd tried to go to one listed on traditio where Father McGuire supposedly says Mass, but when we got there, there wasn't any Church there, and the address listed must have been incorrect.

    Anyway, the Church building was beautiful, and it didn't look like the Novus Ordo was coexisting there. It looked very old.

    I don't know if it's just me, but when I go into a Church, I can actually FEEL the presence of God when He is there. What's really strange about this, is that even though the church was beautiful, et cetera, I just didn't get that same vibe from this particular church.

    And, of course, when you compromise like that, you see the predictable nonsense... women wearing pants, little girls wearing pants, lots of women not covering their heads, a girl with fishnet-like tights and a very short skirt, et cetera.

    Of course I wouldn't go to communion in a place like that. The priest (I looked him up when I was researching where to go) used to be a chaplain for the military. I have no doubt he's a nice person most likely, but he has/still does say the bogus ordo. I didn't want to have to take her there, but I wanted to at least take her so she could see how it's done.

    Also, predictibly, they used the 62 missal, eliminating the second confitior, et cetera.

    The sermon was nice, but it just wasn't the same.

    Has anyone else had a similar experience?


    If trads ever wonder why the TLM isn't more widespread, posts like this illustrate it perfectly.





    Care to explain ?
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    "EF masses"
    « Reply #5 on: September 27, 2011, 04:22:10 PM »
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    • I've been to indult Masses (now called EF), SSPX Masses and sede Masses. The only ones I felt God's presence in were the sede and SSPX Masses.

    The indult Masses I've been to had the priest saying Mass on the bogus ordo table, but facing the real altar. Women wearing pants but with a mantilla on their heads (lol)....reminds me of the complaint an EO friend has of Russian girls who wear a babushka scarf in church, but with hoochie-cootchie short skirts (evidently, each group only got PART of the modesty message...)

    I've only been to one indult which was a high Mass....most are low masses, which I think is done deliberately to make the TLM seem less "all that".

    And of course I never received communion at any TLM in the newchurch...because I know that they sometimes use leftover hosts from that morning's bogus ordo to distribute.
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    « Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 05:32:37 PM »
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    • FYI, the so-called "indult" Mess is NOT a True Mass. It's a bowdlerized, pieced-together thing concocted by the Bogus Ordo in order to fool people into thinking they were still traditional to some degree.

    The Indult Mess is a Catholic Mass like I'm a pine tree.
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    « Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 07:26:05 PM »
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    • I love it... SpiritusSanctus coined the term "Bogus Ordo" ...now its spreading like wildfire.

     :applause:
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    « Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »
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    • PRAY FOR THE RETURN OF THE TRUE MASS.

    THIS PHOTO TAKEN INSIDE OF ST.PETER'S CHURCH IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
    IN 1954.
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    "EF masses"
    « Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 07:40:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: SouthernBelle
    If trads ever wonder why the TLM isn't more widespread, posts like this illustrate it perfectly.


    Precisely; PFT very nicely demonstrated the looming, crushing presence of modern bourgeois-liberal culture -- how it insinuates itself even into so-called Traditional Catholic circles.  With such an adversary, and with so many tricks up its sleeve, we should be grateful that we even have the priests and Masses we do !  The Mass won't become more widespread until people are willing to unequivocally war against the Revolution and cling to the integral Faith, letting grace and the gifts of the Holy Ghost permeate their lives.  If a larger fissure develops -- such as if the FSSPX abandons its foolish attempt to play courtier at apostate Rome, -- then we might see a large-scale rally for the good fight, in which case there will be Masses all over the place.  Of course, this will only be the framework and preparation for the real restoration; the latter cannot happen until we have a Pope.
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    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 07:45:58 PM »
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    • RomanCatholic, that church is hideous.  Truly, in the 1950s and 1940s, especially in the United States and other liberal countries of the West, the Faith was already being taken for granted.  These indult "EF TLMs," insofar as they attempt to restore that same kind of docile, superficial type of Catholic life, are only incidentally helping the Faith, and this in spite of what are apparently their best efforts to mix it with so much garbage (the culture of the bourgeois-liberal world, the heresies of the Latrocinium, the errors of the post-VII magisterium, &c.).  Fiftiesism is yet to be adequately combatted.  :boxer:
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    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2011, 09:30:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: PartyIsOver221
    I love it... SpiritusSanctus coined the term "Bogus Ordo" ...now its spreading like wildfire.

     :applause:


    Actually, a priest of the ORCM back in the 1970s first used it. It was from him that I first picked it up!
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    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2011, 09:32:42 PM »
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    • He's just refering to me being the first user here to use it.

    I actually hadn't heard anyone else use the term when I began using it, my mother and I thought it up.  :laugh1:
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    « Reply #13 on: September 28, 2011, 09:19:56 PM »
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    • Anna1959, thanks for that info! Interesting... I still give SS the credit for it , HEH.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 28, 2011, 09:36:46 PM »
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    • I think a lot of people just simultaneously thought of it...its really kind of obvious..."novus" sounds like "bogus", which is what it is anyway!  :laugh1:

    I know Fr Vaillancourt used it a few times too, if I recall, and also either Mel Gibson or his dad, Hutton.
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