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Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #35 on:** July 30, 2013, 02:20:11 AM »

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29 July 2013 Last updated at 09:14 ET

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23489702#TWEET837994

Pope Francis: Who am I to judge gαy people?

The Pope's position on gαy people appears to contrast with that of his predecessor

Pope Francis has said gαy people should not be marginalised but integrated into society.

Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's position that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ acts were sinful, but ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ orientation was not.

"If a person is gαy and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?"

He also said he wanted a greater role for women in the Church, but insisted they could not be priests.

The Pope arrived back in Rome on Monday after a week-long tour of Brazil - his first trip abroad as pontiff - which climaxed with a huge gathering on Rio de Janeiro's Copacabana beach for a world Catholic youth festival.

Festival organisers estimated it attracted more than three million people.

His remarks on gαy people are being seen as much more conciliatory than his predecessor's position on the issue.

Pope Benedict XVI signed a docuмent in 2005 that said men with deep-rooted ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies should not be priests.

Pope Francis said gαy clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
gαy 'lobbying'

"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well," Pope Francis said in a wide-ranging 80-minute long interview with Vatican journalists.

"It says they should not be marginalised because of this but that they must be integrated into society."

But he condemned what he described as lobbying by gαy people.

"The problem is not having this orientation," he said. "We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worse problem."

On the role of women in the Church, he said: "We cannot limit the role of women in the Church to altar girls or the president of a charity, there must be more.

"But with regards to the ordination of women, the Church has spoken and says no... That door is closed."

Answering questions about the troubled Vatican bank, he said the institution must become "honest and transparent" and that he would listen to advice on whether it could be reformed or should be shut down altogether.

"I don't know what will become of the bank. Some say it is better that is a bank, others that it should be a charitable fund and others say close it," he said.
'Undisciplined'

Before leaving Brazil, Pope Francis gave a highly unusual one-to-one interview to a Brazilian TV programme.

The interview was shown on TV Globo's high-profile Sunday night docuмentary programme Fantastico, broadcast not long after the Pope departed for Rome.

The Pope was asked about the moment on his visit when his driver took a wrong turn and his vehicle was surrounded by crowds.

"I don't feel afraid," he answered. "I know that no-one dies before their time.

"I don't want to see these people who have such a great heart from behind a glass box. The two security teams [from the Vatican and Brazil] worked very well. But I know that I am undisciplined in that respect."

Asked about the recent protests by young people on the streets of Brazil, the Pope said: "The young person is essentially a non-conformist, and this is very beautiful.

"It is necessary to listen to young people, give them places to express themselves and to be careful that they aren't manipulated."

Asked about his simple lifestyle and use of a small car, he said it wasn't a good example when a priest had the latest model of a car or a top brand.

"At this moment I believe God is asking us for more simplicity," he added.

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Who am I to judge anyone who defends Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. Who am I to judge a Freemason.

Eudes · « **Reply #36 on:** July 30, 2013, 02:59:28 AM »

Who am I to judge voodoo practitioners?

At least they're not Pelagians or "restorationists"

Picture was taken from here -->http://veritasliberavitvos.wordpress.com/2013/07/27/francisco-esta-feliz-en-su-carnaval/

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #37 on:** July 30, 2013, 06:06:49 AM »

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:scratchchin:Think About It.
Since when does a Catholic priest, much less the pope, declare he hasn't the right to judge sin- when Christ Himself gives to priests that power? Also, since when does any Catholic, much less the pope, "search" for God when He has already proven Himself to be Jesus Christ? Can Francis be telling us the truth? That he really can't judge, and that he is "searching" for God? If so, think what that means.
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He doesn't judge sin because Rome condones sin.

Rome excommunicated archbishop Lefebvre for disobedience.
Rome at the same time was protecting pedophiles and rapists who broke vows of charity

MyrnaM · « **Reply #38 on:** July 30, 2013, 08:00:26 AM »

Yet, to many here; he is still the Vicar of Christ.

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Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #39 on:** July 30, 2013, 10:38:38 AM »

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Yet, to many here; he is still the Vicar of Christ.

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I share your frustration. It's tiring - dealing with novus ordites. The good news is that the people who follow Francis are not our problem. Let them follow falsehood. Maybe some day the Holy Ghost will lead them to the Traditional Catholic Faith.