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Offline RomanCatholic1953

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For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
« on: January 20, 2021, 04:23:58 AM »
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    • For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”

    https://www.tfp.org/for-pope-francis-abortion-is-not-a-primarily-religious-matter/?PKG=TFP210119&utm_

    In one of the Docuмents of Vatican 2 in which I agree with. Abortion is an unspeakable crime. 

    It use to be said you do not want to be more Catholic than the Pope.  To remain a Catholic you have to be
    more Catholic than the current Pope.
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    Offline gladius_veritatis

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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #1 on: January 20, 2021, 03:09:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on January 20, 2021, 04:23:58 AM
    To remain a Catholic you have to be
    more Catholic than the current Pope.
    Unfortunately, that has been true for over 50 years.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #2 on: January 20, 2021, 09:17:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on January 20, 2021, 03:09:26 PM
    Unfortunately, that has been true for over 50 years.
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    It has never, and will never be true.
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    Pope St. Leo IX says:
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    The holy Church built upon a rock, that is Christ, and upon Peter or Cephas, the son of John who first was called Simon, because by the gates of Hell, that is, by the disputations of heretics which lead the vain to destruction, it would never be overcome; thus Truth itself promises, through whom are true, whatsoever things are true: “The gates of hell will not prevail against it” [Mt 16:18]. The same Son declares that He obtained the effect of this promise from the Father by prayers, by saying to Peter: “Simon, behold Satan etc.” [Lk 23:31]. Therefore, will there be anyone so foolish as to dare to regard His prayer as in anyway vain whose being willing is being able? By the See of the chief of the Apostles, namely by the Roman Church, through the same Peter, as well as through his successors, have not the comments of all the heretics been disapproved, rejected, and overcome, and the hearts of the brethren in the faith of Peter which so far neither has failed, nor up to the end will fail, been strengthened?


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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #3 on: January 20, 2021, 09:50:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 20, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
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    It has never, and will never be true.
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    Pope St. Leo IX says:
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    Pope St. Leo IX was referring to True Popes.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #4 on: January 21, 2021, 07:07:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 20, 2021, 09:17:23 PM
    It has never, and will never be true.
    :laugh1:

    Thanks for the heads up  :fryingpan:

    I suppose we're all just hanging out in the ecclesiastical desert because we prefer it.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #5 on: January 21, 2021, 07:44:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on January 20, 2021, 04:23:58 AM
    For Pope  "Pope" Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    There that's better.
    Or better yet "Pope" Bergolio.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #6 on: January 21, 2021, 10:48:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on January 20, 2021, 04:23:58 AM
    For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”

    https://www.tfp.org/for-pope-francis-abortion-is-not-a-primarily-religious-matter/?PKG=TFP210119&utm_

    In one of the Docuмents of Vatican 2 in which I agree with. Abortion is an unspeakable crime.  

    It use to be said you do not want to be more Catholic than the Pope.  To remain a Catholic you have to be
    more Catholic than the current Pope.

    Hmmm.  Well, in some of the quotes, Francis is saying that this is a matter of natural law, even before any religious aspects would be added.  I actually don't disagree with that, but I haven't read this entire article.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #7 on: January 21, 2021, 11:01:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 21, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
    Hmmm.  Well, in some of the quotes, Francis is saying that this is a matter of natural law, even before any religious aspects would be added.  I actually don't disagree with that, but I haven't read this entire article.
    The abortive baby has an immortal soul that needs to be saved.
    The true religion does come into play.
    You have to watch the translations. it most likely follows the bias of the translator.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #8 on: January 21, 2021, 11:12:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: gladius_veritatis on January 20, 2021, 03:09:26 PM
    Unfortunately, that has been true for over 50 years.
    I remember my Parish in the 1980's that was staffed by two valid elderly Priests ordained in 1940.
    They warned me not to attend the Latin Mass Celebrated by Fr. Donahue at the Post Chapel on the
    upper military reservation of Fort MacArthur in San Pedro, CA.
    The Priests told me over and over again that I should not be anymore Catholic than the Pope.
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    Re: For Pope Francis, “Abortion Is Not a Primarily Religious Matter”
    « Reply #9 on: January 21, 2021, 12:43:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953 on January 21, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
    The abortive baby has an immortal soul that needs to be saved.
    The true religion does come into play.
    You have to watch the translations. it most likely follows the bias of the translator.

    Right, and I might want to read the entire thing, but I don't think he said there's no religious aspect, just that the natural law implications are there even before religion comes into play.
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