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Maria Auxiliadora · « **on:** October 31, 2016, 07:22:50 PM »

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2016/10/31/0783/01757.html#orig

JOINT STATEMENT
on the occasion of the Joint Catholic-Lutheran Commemoration of the Reformation[/size]
Lund, 31 October 2016

«Abide in me as I abide in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me» (John 15:4).

With thankful hearts

With this Joint Statement, we express joyful gratitude to God for this moment of common prayer in the Cathedral of Lund, as we begin the year commemorating the five hundredth anniversary of the Reformation. Fifty years of sustained and fruitful ecuмenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans have helped us to overcome many differences, and have deepened our mutual understanding and trust. At the same time, we have drawn closer to one another through joint service to our neighbours – often in circuмstances of suffering and persecution. Through dialogue and shared witness we are no longer strangers. Rather, we have learned that what unites us is greater than what divides us.

Moving from conflict to communion

While we are profoundly thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation, we also confess and lament before Christ that Lutherans and Catholics have wounded the visible unity of the Church. Theological differences were accompanied by prejudice and conflicts, and religion was instrumentalized for political ends. Our common faith in Jesus Christ and our baptism demand of us a daily conversion, by which we cast off the historical disagreements and conflicts that impede the ministry of reconciliation. While the past cannot be changed, what is remembered and how it is remembered can be transformed. We pray for the healing of our wounds and of the memories that cloud our view of one another. We emphatically reject all hatred and violence, past and present, especially that expressed in the name of religion. Today, we hear God’s command to set aside all conflict. We recognize that we are freed by grace to move towards the communion to which God continually calls us.

Our commitment to common witness

As we move beyond those episodes in history that burden us, we pledge to witness together to God’s merciful grace, made visible in the crucified and risen Christ. Aware that the way we relate to one another shapes our witness to the Gospel, we commit ourselves to further growth in communion rooted in Baptism, as we seek to remove the remaining obstacles that hinder us from attaining full unity. Christ desires that we be one, so that the world may believe (cf. John 17:21).
Many members of our communities yearn to receive the Eucharist at one table, as the concrete expression of full unity. We experience the pain of those who share their whole lives, but cannot share God’s redeeming presence at the Eucharistic table. We acknowledge our joint pastoral responsibility to respond to the spiritual thirst and hunger of our people to be one in Christ. We long for this wound in the Body of Christ to be healed. This is the goal of our ecuмenical endeavours, which we wish to advance, also by renewing our commitment to theological dialogue.
We pray to God that Catholics and Lutherans will be able to witness together to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, inviting humanity to hear and receive the good news of God’s redeeming action. We pray to God for inspiration, encouragement and strength so that we may stand together in service, upholding human dignity and rights, especially for the poor, working for justice, and rejecting all forms of violence. God summons us to be close to all those who yearn for dignity, justice, peace and reconciliation. Today in particular, we raise our voices for an end to the violence and extremism which affect so many countries and communities, and countless sisters and brothers in Christ. We urge Lutherans and Catholics to work together to welcome the stranger, to come to the aid of those forced to flee because of war and persecution, and to defend the rights of refugees and those who seek asylum.
More than ever before, we realize that our joint service in this world must extend to God’s creation, which suffers exploitation and the effects of insatiable greed. We recognize the right of future generations to enjoy God’s world in all its potential and beauty. We pray for a change of hearts and minds that leads to a loving and responsible way to care for creation.

One in Christ

On this auspicious occasion, we express our gratitude to our brothers and sisters representing the various Christian World Communions and Fellowships who are present and join us in prayer. As we recommit ourselves to move from conflict to communion, we do so as part of the one Body of Christ, into which we are incorporated through Baptism. We invite our ecuмenical partners to remind us of our commitments and to encourage us. We ask them to continue to pray for us, to walk with us, to support us in living out the prayerful commitments we express today.

Calling upon Catholics and Lutherans worldwide

We call upon all Lutheran and Catholic parishes and communities to be bold and creative, joyful and hopeful in their commitment to continue the great journey ahead of us. Rather than conflicts of the past, God’s gift of unity among us shall guide cooperation and deepen our solidarity. By drawing close in faith to Christ, by praying together, by listening to one another, by living Christ’s love in our relationships, we, Catholics and Lutherans, open ourselves to the power of the Triune God. Rooted in Christ and witnessing to him, we renew our determination to be faithful heralds of God’s boundless love for all humanity.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2016, 09:36:52 PM »

What heretical BS. There is no way - NO WAY - that such garbage comes from the Church. These people are frauds, pure evil.

poche · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2016, 11:27:24 PM »

Moving from conflict to communion

While we are profoundly thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation, we also confess and lament before Christ that Lutherans and Catholics have wounded the visible unity of the Church. Theological differences were accompanied by prejudice and conflicts, and religion was instrumentalized for political ends. Our common faith in Jesus Christ and our baptism demand of us a daily conversion, by which we cast off the historical disagreements and conflicts that impede the ministry of reconciliation. While the past cannot be changed, what is remembered and how it is remembered can be transformed. We pray for the healing of our wounds and of the memories that cloud our view of one another. We emphatically reject all hatred and violence, past and present, especially that expressed in the name of religion. Today, we hear God’s command to set aside all conflict. We recognize that we are freed by grace to move towards the communion to which God continually calls us.

I notice that they talk about conversion. I guess that means that the Lutherans will be converting to the Catholic Church.

Cantarella · « **Reply #3 on:** November 02, 2016, 01:07:27 AM »

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While we are profoundly thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation...

The spiritual and theological gifts? What a joke... Let's see..Luther is the direct responsible of the 600 hundred or more Protestants sects existing in the world today, meaning he is direct responsible for millions of lost souls. How did this happen? very simple: the introduction of the individualistic "personal interpretation" of Sacred Scripture, which has been solemnly condemned by the Church. Not only this, but during the Reformation, the Bible was desecrated, entire books were thrown (Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Machabees, Ecclesiasticus, Esther among others). Luther also proclaimed that one can be saved with "faith alone", without the need of any work, completely contradicting Catholic dogma. Lutheranism rebels against the supremacy of the Roman Pontiff; undermines the necessity of priesthood and the Sacraments for salvation; destroys the sublimity and necessity of the Sacrifice of the Mass, among other million evils. What is happening during this pontificate is a real abomination, satanic in nature.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #4 on:** November 02, 2016, 03:59:08 AM »

Quote from: poche

I notice that they talk about conversion. I guess that means that the Lutherans will be converting to the Catholic Church.

Rat poison is 99% nutritious food.

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** November 02, 2016, 06:17:58 AM »

We are living in the days where the "New Liturgy" and the "New Springtime" is being truly understood and implemented.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2016, 11:04:21 AM »

This docuмent is typical of what the conciliar church tells everyone, it tells the Lutherans what they want to hear. This is the punishment of Vatican II for EVERYONE, Catholic and non-Catholic.

Saint John Eudes said that when God is angry with His people, He sends them bad priests as a chastisement. Here is what he wrote in his book, The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations:

“The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than charity and affection of devoted shepherds ...
“When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15) Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge upon the people in consequence of sin.”

Saint John Eudes warns us that as punishment for man’s sins, God will send us priests who are not according to His own heart, who have a different spirit from that of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord, who have a different heart from that of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

Good Catholics get what they pray for. Catholics who are indifferent, CINO, and fallen away, get what they ask for. We have bad clergy today because that is what the majority of baptized Catholics and the world wanted. They wanted priest that act like any lax Catholic layman, that are “birth control, no mass, no confession, you are all good, and going to heaven” priests. That’s what they got! A punishment from God.

Cantarella · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2016, 12:32:11 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

This docuмent is typical of what the conciliar church tells everyone, it tells the Lutherans what they want to hear. This is the punishment of Vatican II for EVERYONE, Catholic and non-Catholic.

This degeneracy can be tracked, as everything else, to the denial and dilution of the EENS dogma. What the Conciliar Church is telling the world is that one can be saved outside the Holy Roman Church and without having the Catholic Faith, that to confess the supremacy and infallibility of the Roman Church and of the Roman Pontiff is not really necessary for salvation, that one can be saved without submitting personally to the Roman Pontiff, that one can be saved even hating the Church of Christ and that there are really two Churches, the one visible, the other invisible. Therefore, people can be members of the Church would actually belonging to the Body, as membership is possible in invisible "degrees" of communion with the True Church.

Francis' actions are not coming out of the blue, though. The conciliar Popes all have made clear advances towards this ecuмenical abomination we see today, as can be read here:

Will Luther Be the Next Canonized ‘Saint’?
http://www.traditioninaction.org/bev/195bev09_30_2016.htm

"So, 51 years after the closing of Vatican II, the Conciliar Church has infiltrated the Catholic Church so forcefully that the teaching of the Council of Trent and the First Vatican Council, which uniformly reflect the perennial mind of the Church, were changed so radically that today Martin Luther, the heretic per antonomasia, is accepted as a great model to be followed. His act of revolt will be celebrated by a conciliar Pope in a public act before the whole world."

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2016, 01:21:21 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella

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While we are profoundly thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation...

The spiritual and theological gifts? What a joke...

Only true if you look at Trent and the Counter-Reformation as coming to us "through the Reformation".

:roll-laugh1:

Alexandria · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2016, 01:57:19 PM »

I think after over sixty years of this nonsense, I've become jaded.

I laughed when I read this.

In saner days, Francis would be out of the Vatican. Instead, we have prelates who laugh and joke with enemies of the faith at Al Smith dinners all for the sake of filthy lucre.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2016, 03:11:32 PM »

Quote from: Alexandria

In saner days, Francis would be out of the Vatican. Instead, we have prelates who laugh and joke with enemies of the faith at Al Smith dinners all for the sake of filthy lucre.

What was even worse was that Trump was getting booed for bashing Hillary's anti-Catholic positions ... at an ostensibly Catholic charity event.

Alexandria · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2016, 03:41:35 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Alexandria
In saner days, Francis would be out of the Vatican. Instead, we have prelates who laugh and joke with enemies of the faith at Al Smith dinners all for the sake of filthy lucre.

What was even worse was that Trump was getting booed for bashing Hillary's anti-Catholic positions ... at an ostensibly Catholic charity event.

This doesn't bother the novus ordo Catholics?

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NYPD detectives and a NYPD Chief, the department’s highest rank under Commissioner, said openly that if the FBI and Justice Department fail to garner timely indictments against Clinton and co- conspirators, NYPD will go public with the damaging emails now in the hands of FBI Director James Comey and many FBI field offices.

“What’s in the emails is staggering and as a father, it turned my stomach,” the NYPD Chief said. “There is not going to be any Houdini-like escape from what we found. We have copies of everything. We will ship them to Wikileaks or I will personally hold my own press conference if it comes to that.”

The NYPD Chief said once Comey saw the alarming contents of the emails he was forced to reopen a criminal probe against Clinton.

“People are going to prison,” he said.

http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2016, 11:23:52 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

Quote from: poche

I notice that they talk about conversion. I guess that means that the Lutherans will be converting to the Catholic Church.

Rat poison is 99% nutritious food.

A worthy reception of the Holy Eucharist is 100% good for your soul.

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2016, 11:27:04 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Cantarella
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While we are profoundly thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation...

The spiritual and theological gifts? What a joke...

Only true if you look at Trent and the Counter-Reformation as coming to us "through the Reformation".

:roll-laugh1:

Remember also, Joseph's captivity into Egypt was thought of as a tragedy but through it God brought salvation to his family.

Gabriella · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2016, 06:10:58 PM »

Quote from: Maria Auxiliadora

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2016/10/31/0783/01757.html#orig

JOINT STATEMENT
on the occasion of the Joint Catholic-Lutheran Commemoration of the Reformation[/size]
Lund, 31 October 2016

«Abide in me as I abide in you. Just as the branch cannot bear fruit by itself unless it abides in the vine, neither can you unless you abide in me» (John 15:4).

With thankful hearts

With this Joint Statement, we express joyful gratitude to God for this moment of common prayer in the Cathedral of Lund, as we begin the year commemorating the five hundredth anniversary of the Reformation. Fifty years of sustained and fruitful ecuмenical dialogue between Catholics and Lutherans have helped us to overcome many differences, and have deepened our mutual understanding and trust. At the same time, we have drawn closer to one another through joint service to our neighbours – often in circuмstances of suffering and persecution. Through dialogue and shared witness we are no longer strangers. Rather, we have learned that what unites us is greater than what divides us.

Moving from conflict to communion

While we are profoundly thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation, we also confess and lament before Christ that Lutherans and Catholics have wounded the visible unity of the Church. Theological differences were accompanied by prejudice and conflicts, and religion was instrumentalized for political ends. Our common faith in Jesus Christ and our baptism demand of us a daily conversion, by which we cast off the historical disagreements and conflicts that impede the ministry of reconciliation. While the past cannot be changed, what is remembered and how it is remembered can be transformed. We pray for the healing of our wounds and of the memories that cloud our view of one another. We emphatically reject all hatred and violence, past and present, especially that expressed in the name of religion. Today, we hear God’s command to set aside all conflict. We recognize that we are freed by grace to move towards the communion to which God continually calls us.

Our commitment to common witness

As we move beyond those episodes in history that burden us, we pledge to witness together to God’s merciful grace, made visible in the crucified and risen Christ. Aware that the way we relate to one another shapes our witness to the Gospel, we commit ourselves to further growth in communion rooted in Baptism, as we seek to remove the remaining obstacles that hinder us from attaining full unity. Christ desires that we be one, so that the world may believe (cf. John 17:21).
Many members of our communities yearn to receive the Eucharist at one table, as the concrete expression of full unity. We experience the pain of those who share their whole lives, but cannot share God’s redeeming presence at the Eucharistic table. We acknowledge our joint pastoral responsibility to respond to the spiritual thirst and hunger of our people to be one in Christ. We long for this wound in the Body of Christ to be healed. This is the goal of our ecuмenical endeavours, which we wish to advance, also by renewing our commitment to theological dialogue.
We pray to God that Catholics and Lutherans will be able to witness together to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, inviting humanity to hear and receive the good news of God’s redeeming action. We pray to God for inspiration, encouragement and strength so that we may stand together in service, upholding human dignity and rights, especially for the poor, working for justice, and rejecting all forms of violence. God summons us to be close to all those who yearn for dignity, justice, peace and reconciliation. Today in particular, we raise our voices for an end to the violence and extremism which affect so many countries and communities, and countless sisters and brothers in Christ. We urge Lutherans and Catholics to work together to welcome the stranger, to come to the aid of those forced to flee because of war and persecution, and to defend the rights of refugees and those who seek asylum.
More than ever before, we realize that our joint service in this world must extend to God’s creation, which suffers exploitation and the effects of insatiable greed. We recognize the right of future generations to enjoy God’s world in all its potential and beauty. We pray for a change of hearts and minds that leads to a loving and responsible way to care for creation.

One in Christ

On this auspicious occasion, we express our gratitude to our brothers and sisters representing the various Christian World Communions and Fellowships who are present and join us in prayer. As we recommit ourselves to move from conflict to communion, we do so as part of the one Body of Christ, into which we are incorporated through Baptism. We invite our ecuмenical partners to remind us of our commitments and to encourage us. We ask them to continue to pray for us, to walk with us, to support us in living out the prayerful commitments we express today.

Calling upon Catholics and Lutherans worldwide

We call upon all Lutheran and Catholic parishes and communities to be bold and creative, joyful and hopeful in their commitment to continue the great journey ahead of us. Rather than conflicts of the past, God’s gift of unity among us shall guide cooperation and deepen our solidarity. By drawing close in faith to Christ, by praying together, by listening to one another, by living Christ’s love in our relationships, we, Catholics and Lutherans, open ourselves to the power of the Triune God. Rooted in Christ and witnessing to him, we renew our determination to be faithful heralds of God’s boundless love for all humanity.

This literally makes me sick to my stomach. What a joke...