The Church in Rome is completely unrecognizable as the true Faith.  This is sickening.  
All part of the NWO agenda.  The satanists in the vatican are an integral part of advancing the ET story for various reasons.  And an imprimatur from Rome will sure make it easy to roll out project bluebeam, or whatever their new charade may be, to bring in the one world religion.  

Once you crack the code, it's ridiculously easy to see.

Then there's this:     WARNING:   delicate topic.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/vatican-cocaine-condoms-parcel-seized-package
"Vatican cocaine-filled condoms parcel seized by German customs officers
Package sent to the Vatican from a South American country contained 14 condoms filled with £33,000 worth of liquid cocaine"

Funny you should mention it - Just posted this elsewhere a while ago!
No Aliens ... Story about St. Boniface and Pope St. Zachary - Among their correspondence was a docuмent of special interest in the light of all the conjecture there has been about "inhabited planets" other than earth. St. Boniface complained to the Pope that an Irish priest named Virgilius was disturbing men's minds by teaching "that there was another world, other men on another planet beneath the earth, another sun, and another moon."

 "If it is well proved that Virgilius has spoken thus," Pope Zachary wrote, "you must convene a council and expel him from the Church. We are addressing to this same Virgilius letters of evocation, so that he may be minutely questioned in our presence and, if found guilty of holding false doctrine, he may be sentenced to canonical punishment."

 It transpired that in the end it was not necessary for St. Zachary to condemn Virgilius, for the priest completely yielded to the correction and counsel of his Holy Father and went on, in the light of pure and chaste theology, to sanctify himself. He became bishop of Salzburg, and, glorious to relate, lived a life of such holiness and heroism that he was canonized by Pope Gregory IX.

 But Pope Saint Zachary did denounce in this connection, "certain heretics who maintained the existence of a race of men not descended from Adam and not ransomed by Christ."

 It should be added, because of the controversy which later centered around it, that this condemnation of Pope Zachary's was not intended to mean that he condemned the opinion that the world was round and that men might easily be living on the other side of it - as some have tried to make out - for both Pope Zachary and Saint Boniface were well acquainted with the fact that the earth was round and one of the Doctors of the Church, the Venerable Bede, had expressly taught so. But he did condemn, and we have his words for it, the teaching of the existence of a race of men - on another planet - who were not, and who could not have been, descended from Adam and who were not ransomed by Christ.

 

Thank you for that great insight. The point is that certain parties are setting us up to accept demons in human form by calling them extraterrestrials.

Quote from: Cera

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/world/europe/14iht-vat.4.12885393.html?_r=0

"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, published in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition. The large number of galaxies with their own planets makes this possible, he noted.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

This part is the most ridiculous.

As if sheer numbers makes spontaneous generation of life any more likely!

In this part, he is certainly thinking along the lines of atheist, Darwinist scientists -- because this is their precise argument!  Put enough monkeys on enough typewriters, and eventually you'll have The Iliad.

The old line from the atheist blockbuster "Contact": "If we are alone, it would be an awful waste of space."

He even uses the phrase "life has developed elsewhere" though later on he brings God into it.

But even if you assume he's talking about God having created these aliens, it's still a silly statement. As if God would be any more, or less, likely to create another race on another planet, based on sheer numbers of planets or size of the universe!

Understand what I'm getting at -- what specifically is crazy about this?

It's as if this Vatican Chief Astronomer believes in Theistic Evolution.

But a very messed-up version of Theistic Evolution -- where life "develops" and God doesn't personally create each species -- even when you're talking about a species "more developed" than man.

Did anyone else catch this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/world/europe/14iht-vat.4.12885393.html?_r=0

Vatican astronomer cites possibility of extraterrestrial 'brothers'

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VATICAN CITY — The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of extraterrestrial "brothers" perhaps more evolved than humans.

The problem starts with the first sentence.  This seems to me to be a fallout of the now-famous Francis quip, "I believe in a God but not in a Catholic God."  BTW, that was not something he dreamed up on the fly, but it's been smouldering in his sem-subconscious for many years, and it's a theme he picked up from liberal Modernists among his Jesuit buddies long, long ago.  It should have been something that would have DISqualified him for the papacy but instead it got him elected.  The mystery of iniquity is now worldwide, in the open, and in-your-face.

"In my opinion this possibility exists," said the Reverend José Gabriel Funes, head of the Vatican Observatory and a scientific adviser to Pope Benedict XVI, referring to life on other planets.

It's just his opinion.  But if it were more than his opinion, he would have some evidence for it, and since it's nothing more than his opinion, he therefore must not have any evidence for it.  But of course, he can't have any evidence for it because there ISN'T ANY EVIDENCE FOR IT.


[Question]:

"How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere," he said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, published in its Tuesday-Wednesday edition. The large number of galaxies with their own planets makes this possible, he noted.

[Answer]:  How can we exclude that life has developed elsewhere, you ask?   We can exclude it by way of recognizing that life has not developed here, that's how we can exclude it.   Any more questions?



Note:  The large number of galaxies has nothing to do with the possibility of life "developing," because we have no evidence of life developing anywhere on earth, and we are right here in the midst of it, and always have been.  The only thing that has 'developed' has been the corrupted thinking of fallen man to presume to find lies in regards to God's own revealed truth, and based on the real lies, of Modernist man's corrupted thinking, they have come to the point where many many multitudes of nothing can somehow add up to something.  As poor of a model as mathematics is, even in poor mathematics, nothing times a bazillion is still nothing.

Asked if he was referring to beings similar to humans or even more evolved than humans, he said: "Certainly, in a universe this big you can't exclude this hypothesis."

When you begin with the Big Lie of evolution, there are all kinds of ways you can go wrong with it.  What he is implying here is,

"Certainly, when you presume the Big Lie of evolution in a universe this big (but maybe not as big as the Big Lie itself), you can't exclude a lying hypothesis like this one."  

But to get that, you have to look at what he says with actual truth in mind.  

But remember, this is the New York Times, so forget about having the objective truth, here.  

In the interview headlined, "The extraterrestrial is my brother," he said he saw no conflict between belief in such beings and faith in God.

Again, do not forget the context:  this is in regards to the Newchurch false doctrine trial-ballooned by Francis a few terrible months ago, "I believe in God but not in a Catholic God."  So if the faith he's talking about is not one that believes in a Catholic God, then it believes in a false 'God' -- and as such, it is a false faith, and consequently, he doesn't see any conflict between the false god of his false faith and a belief in "such beings" as an "extraterrestrial [that] is my brother."  

Remember, too, that Mormons believe that satan and Jesus Christ are brothers, and they just had a family dispute, is all.  These things can be reconciled.  

"Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," he said.

As St. Pius X well warned us, Modernists mix truth and error, alternatively.  While it is true that, "Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God,"  the problem with this is, that those other intelligent beings created by God are called ANGELS, and there are about 1/3rd of them that are FALLEN ANGELS.  And we human beings are very easily fooled into thinking that a manifestation to us of a fallen angel is actually a good angel.  But we would be wrong, because it's really a devil.  That's a problem.

Furthermore, "This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom," unless, of course, that means that we can go so far as to think that God would do or has done anything that contradicts what God has revealed to us.  God did create angels, and they do exist.  But these clowns are talking about something else, not about angels.


[Question]:

"Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation."

Answer:  We can't speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial' because we have been given the revelation of God which says that Christ came to redeem all of mankind, who are the sons of Adam.  The so-called 'extraterrestrials' to whom you refer would not be sons of Adam.  We can't speak of God's 'creation' in any way that contradicts God's revelation to us.  God created the angels and He created man.  One third of the angels sinned and were sent to hell, and then Adam sinned after which death came into the world and now we are all subject to this death, even if it would be culminating with our eternal damnation among the devils in hell;  something we should strive to PREVENT, not encourage to happen, like it would if we were to gullibly believe what Fr. J.G. Funes tells us here, and elsewhere.

Why doesn't the Reverend José Gabriel Funes mention that?  
Oh, right:  it doesn't match up with his agenda.  
Sorry, I forgot how important his agenda is.
Shame on me.

Since it doesn't match up with his agenda, his agenda is a Big Fat Lie, like evolution is.

Funes, who runs the observatory that is based south of Rome and in Arizona, held out the possibility that the human race might actually be the "lost sheep" of the universe.

It's not just a possibility, it is the truth.  All of humanity are 'lost sheep' and we're all in the universe.  So, we are the lost sheep of the universe.  That's why the Church is here, to find us and bring us back to the flock.  But the Church doesn't do that by dishing out nonsense like this from Fr. Funes.

There could be other beings "who remained in full friendship with their creator," he said

 

Every time I hear about someone who had an encounter with an "alien" from outer space, where the "alien" blasphemed God, Jesus Christ, the Church and Our Lady, it doesn't take me more than a quarter second to see where this is all headed.  Nor has there been ANY SINGLE REPORT from anyone, ever, who has met up with any aliens that are willing to pay attention to the teachings of the Church.

This garbage-speech of Fr. Funes implies that if any of us were to meet such an "other being who remains in full friendship with his creator," any erstwhile wondering we may have had that perhaps we should evangelize to them or offer them Holy Baptism is crushed by Fr. Funes who holds out a hope that these blaspheming creatures who have no interest in the Truth of God have somehow remained free of original sin ("remained in full friendship with their creator") and therefore in no need of Holy Baptism.  


After all that, your observation, Matthew -- that this creepy theology proffered by Fr. Funes implies a sort of theistic evolution that is rather a species of deist theistic evolution, whereby God set the universe into motion and then ran away, to watch how it 'develops' on its own, as if it's his entertainment, kind of like visitors to the Zoo look at the exhibits, or placid viewers of Pay-Per-View watch their favorite TV programs, or spectators at the Colosseum watched the Christians being covered with tar and set on fire for torches at night which illuminated the other Christians as they were eaten alive by hungry lions -- is a good observation.  Thank you for posting it!  


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Someone reading this thread might be wondering why any 'extraterrestrials' we might meet would be any kind of a being that we may expect should be possibly in need of Baptism or the Sacraments or the Truth of God's revelation.  

But there is a very simple answer to that.

It's really very simple. .

Because no one really needs to be baptised, right?

Here's something I still don't get: why can't there be intelligent animal life elsewhere? I feel it in my bones that there can't be, based on my understanding of the Church teaching on creation and original sin (or something else, perhaps), but I can't articulate it. And maybe I'm wrong.

These comments by the vatican astronomer are creepy in light Genesis 6. In the Douay-Rheims translation:

"Now giants were upon the earth in those days. For after the sons of God went in to the daughters of men and they brought forth children, these are the mighty men of old, men of renown."

These are called the Nephilim, a demon hybrid.

Who says they were a 'demon hybrid'? As far as I'm aware, they were humans, although giants, and evil.

Ver. 4. Giants. It is likely the generality of men before the flood were of a gigantic stature, in comparison with what men now are. But these here spoken of, are called giants, as being not only tall in stature, but violent and savage in their dispositions, and mere monsters of cruelty and lust.

http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id333.html

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Someone reading this thread might be wondering why any 'extraterrestrials' we might meet would be any kind of a being that we may expect should be possibly in need of Baptism or the Sacraments or the Truth of God's revelation.  

But there is a very simple answer to that.

It's really very simple. .

Because no one really needs to be baptised, right?

Where have you picked that up?  

Baptism is the first Sacrament of the Church.  You can't receive absolution from your sins unless you are first baptized, because the priest cannot remit original sin in the Confessional.  He has to use water and give you baptism, but he has to be sure you desire to be baptized, and that you intend to keep learning and growing in the Faith.  Otherwise he cannot baptize you!  

Jesus said, "He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved :  but he that believeth not shall be condemned" (Mark xvi. 16).

So how can that add up to, "no one really needs to be baptized?"

Here's something I still don't get: why can't there be intelligent animal life elsewhere? I feel it in my bones that there can't be, based on my understanding of the Church teaching on creation and original sin (or something else, perhaps), but I can't articulate it. And maybe I'm wrong.

That's kind of a different topic.  We're talking here about what we as Catholics would do when meeting intelligent life forms from another world, according to the doctrine of the Church.   Why would we expect that such beings would be in need of God's revelation, or Church teaching, or the sacraments?  

This whole question is entirely obfuscated and ignored by both Rev. J.G. Funes as well as his stooge, Brother Guy Consolmagno, S.J.


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Someone reading this thread might be wondering why any 'extraterrestrials' we might meet would be any kind of a being that we may expect should be possibly in need of Baptism or the Sacraments or the Truth of God's revelation.  

But there is a very simple answer to that.

It's really very simple..

I misunderstood your question, I guess. What's the answer?