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"Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
« on: April 04, 2015, 02:32:21 AM »
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  • Does anyone (especially those of you from USA and Canada) know anything about a so-called "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."? Is he a real Bishop, albeit illicit?

    Apparently his church has established a presence in Malta.

    Such a development would surely hamper the Resistance's work here.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop


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    "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
    « Reply #1 on: April 04, 2015, 10:55:39 AM »
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  • Stay away as he is from the Old Catholic line. "Old Catholics" originate with the schism in 1870 after a group of German Catholics rejected the definition of Papal Infallibility at the First Vatican Council. Various "churches" emerged many very liberal, while others adopted the Traditional Latin Mass as their Mass.

    http://old-roman-catholic-church-malta.webs.com/archbishopsbiography.htm

    Most Rev. Dr. Boniface Grosvold was born on 4 June 1942 in Chester, Nova Scotia. As a young man he moved to Ontario where he was employed as a church musician and where he discovered Old Roman Catholicism.

    On 28 October 1969 (Feast of SS Simeon & Jude) he was tonsured and admitted to the minor order of cleric by Archbishop Nelson Dudley Hillyer of the Ontario Old Roman Catholic Church. He at that time took the religious name of “Boniface” and has been known by that name since. During successive Sundays in January of 1970 Bro. Boniface was admitted by +Hillyer to the minor orders of door keeper, reader, exorcist, and acolyte. On Easter Sunday (29 March) 1970, +Hillyer admitted Bro. Boniface to the sub-diaconate.

    Feeling that his future was in another jurisdiction, Brother Boniface resigned in the summer of 1970 from the Ontario Old Roman Catholic Church and joined Holy Saviour Old Roman Catholic Parish of Niagara Falls, New York, and its bishop-elect Fr. William Mark Plested.
    On 30 and 31 August 1970 respectively, Boniface was ordained a deacon and a priest by the retired Old Roman Catholic Archbishop of Toronto, the Most Rev’d Earl Anglin Lawrence James (1901 to 1978). On 28 September 1970 Fr. Plested was consecrated bishop for the Old Roman Catholic community in Niagara Falls, NY by +James, and both he and the now Father Boniface based their work there.

    On 19 January 1972 the work was legally organized by the incorporation in the Province of Ontario of the Old Roman Catholic Church, Diocese of Ontario, which took in also the American Parish of Holy Saviour, which then served as the Pro-Cathedral.

    On 20 July 1974, Fr. Boniface was consecrated the auxiliary bishop for the Old Roman Catholic Church, Diocese of Ontario in Holy Saviour Old Roman Catholic Pro-Cathedral by the Old Roman Catholic Archbishop of New England, the Most Rev’d Edward Carleton Payne, assisted by Archbishop William Mark Plested of the ORCC Diocese of Ontario.

    On 30 November 1974 Bishop Grosvold was enthroned as the second Bishop of the ORC Diocese of Niagarra Falls, New York, and Ontario, in succession to Archbishop Plested. On 11-12 September, 1976, he was elected Metropolitan-Archbishop and Primate.

    Since October of 1997, the See of the Diocese, also known as the “Old Roman Catholic Church In Canada”, has been in London, ON Canada.

    On 22 April, 2005, at  Spring Convocation, Saint Jude’s Seminary, in conjunction with the Faculty of Theology, Archbishop Grosvold was granted the degree, Doctor of Sacred Theology (S.T.D.).

    At the Fall Convocation of the Faculty of Theology, he was given the degree, Doctor of Sacred Literature (D.S. Lit.).


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    "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2015, 10:57:28 AM »
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  • http://old-roman-catholic-church-malta.webs.com/apostolicsuccession.htm

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    +Archbishop Gerard Gul (1847 to 1920), Old Roman Catholic Archbishop of Utrecht, the Netherlands, on 28 April 1908 consecrated Arnold hαɾɾιs Mathew (1852 to 1919) the Old Roman Catholic bishop of Great Britain.
    +On 29 June 1913 Bishop Mathew consecrated Prince Rudolphe F.E. de Landas Berghes (1873 to 1920) as missionary bishop to Scotland.
    +In November of 1914 Bishop de Landas Berghes emigrated to the USA where in 1916 he established the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
    +On 4 October 1916 Bishop de Landas Berghes consecrated Carmel Henry Carfora (1878 to 1958) who in 1919 succeeded him as the second Archbishop of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
    +Archbishop Carfora on 30 July 1942 consecrated Hubert Augustus Rogers (1887 to 1976) who served from 1946 to 1972 as the Old Roman Catholic Archbishop of New York.
    +Archbishop Rogers on 21 September 1969 consecrated Edward Carleton Payne (born 1928) who in 1970 became Old Roman Catholic Archbishop of New England.
    +On 20 July 1974 Archbishop Payne consecrated Boniface Grosvold, assisted by Archbishop William Mark Plested of the Old Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Ontario. On 30 November 1974 Bishop Grosvold was enthroned as the third Bishop of the combined Diocese of Niagara Falls, New York, Erie, Pennsylvania, and the Province of Ontario, and as the second archbishop of the Old Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Niagara Falls, New York, and Erie Pa., in succession to Archbishop Plested, with seat in the city of Niagara Falls, New York.

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    "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2015, 11:06:06 AM »
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  • Obscurus,

    Thanks for your help. But what I need to know is if this Grosvold is a 'real' bishop or pretends to be one.

    In this way, I can see how to handle the situation lest some deluded Catholics join his church.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop

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    "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 11:20:10 AM »
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    Obscurus,

    Thanks for your help. But what I need to know is if this Grosvold is a 'real' bishop or pretends to be one.

    In this way, I can see how to handle the situation lest some deluded Catholics join his church.


    Well, if his line is Old Catholic then he is almost certainly a validly consecrated bishop.


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    "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2015, 08:49:43 PM »
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    Obscurus,

    Thanks for your help. But what I need to know is if this Grosvold is a 'real' bishop or pretends to be one.

    In this way, I can see how to handle the situation lest some deluded Catholics join his church.


    Well, if his line is Old Catholic then he is almost certainly a validly consecrated bishop.


    Not according to an independent priest who advised me. He said Old Catholic consecrations are questionable because the consecrators did not use the proper rites.

    Do an internet search on names like Arnold Mathew, Landes Berges, Vilatte, and Carfora and you'll appreciate just how questionable those guys could be. At the end of his life, Mathew unsuccessfully tried to get back into the Roman Catholic church and eventually died as an Anglican layman. Landes Berges and Vilatte give every indication of being con men, and Vilatte appears to have changed his beliefs more frequently than his underwear.

    And years back, when I attended a lecture by the Theosophical Society as a seeker, they told me they were "Catholics" -- probably because of the connection between their occultist society and the loopy Liberal Catholic Church, which also got its bishops from the Old Catholics.

    My former bishop? Francis Schuckardt was another guy who got ordained and consecrated by an Old Catholic bishop?, who later repudiated the Schuckardt movement as a personality cult. Lots of questionable fruit came from the Old Catholics. Caveat emptor.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 27, 2015, 08:32:28 AM »
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    Obscurus,

    Thanks for your help. But what I need to know is if this Grosvold is a 'real' bishop or pretends to be one.

    In this way, I can see how to handle the situation lest some deluded Catholics join his church.


    Well, if his line is Old Catholic then he is almost certainly a validly consecrated bishop.


    Not according to an independent priest who advised me. He said Old Catholic consecrations are questionable because the consecrators did not use the proper rites.

    Do an internet search on names like Arnold Mathew, Landes Berges, Vilatte, and Carfora and you'll appreciate just how questionable those guys could be. At the end of his life, Mathew unsuccessfully tried to get back into the Roman Catholic church and eventually died as an Anglican layman. Landes Berges and Vilatte give every indication of being con men, and Vilatte appears to have changed his beliefs more frequently than his underwear.

    And years back, when I attended a lecture by the Theosophical Society as a seeker, they told me they were "Catholics" -- probably because of the connection between their occultist society and the loopy Liberal Catholic Church, which also got its bishops from the Old Catholics.

    My former bishop? Francis Schuckardt was another guy who got ordained and consecrated by an Old Catholic bishop?, who later repudiated the Schuckardt movement as a personality cult. Lots of questionable fruit came from the Old Catholics. Caveat emptor.


    Interesting points that you raised DivaEI.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop

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    "Archbishop Boniface Grosvold D.D."
    « Reply #7 on: April 27, 2015, 11:39:39 AM »
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    Obscurus,

    Thanks for your help. But what I need to know is if this Grosvold is a 'real' bishop or pretends to be one.

    In this way, I can see how to handle the situation lest some deluded Catholics join his church.


    Well, if his line is Old Catholic then he is almost certainly a validly consecrated bishop.


    Not according to an independent priest who advised me. He said Old Catholic consecrations are questionable because the consecrators did not use the proper rites.


    It is my understanding as well that the Old Catholics no longer have valid clergy or they are at best questionable because they perverted the rite at one time.  I don't know what they do today, but if the line was broken, it really doesn't matter now.

    I also note that the Old Catholics ordain women.  
    For an example, see http://www.heartlandoldcatholic.org/parishes.htm#spirit_of_hope

    This cannot be a good sign.  In fact, Old Catholic priestesses are confirmed by the Catholic News Agency in an article entitled, "Pope Francis reaches out to Old Catholic Church".
    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-francis-reaches-out-to-schismatic-old-catholic-church-28251/

    If this fellow is of the Old Catholics, I wouldn't be anywhere near him.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2017, 06:05:13 AM »
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  • Since then, this "Archbishop" Grosvold has died, without coming to Malta, apparently.

    There still remains the website online but it's a hotch potch of things. It seems that a new organisation is taking over, linked to heretical teachings.
    "Recent reforms have amply demonstrated that fresh changes in the liturgy could lead to nothing but complete bewilderment on the part of the faithful" Cardinal Alfredo Ottaviani

    "Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop