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"A Wicked Council... The Church will Bleed from all Her Wounds"
« on: November 05, 2012, 01:46:13 PM »
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  • http://www.novusordowatch.org/thirdsecret.htm

    In May of 1994 -- 77 years after Our Lady first appeared to the three children at Fatima, Portugal -- a French priest was listening to a CD entitled "Mysterium Fidei," with French lyrics and sung by French choirs. As he was listening devoutly, suddenly the music faded into the background and a clear voice, which was perceived quite normally and not as an interior inspiration, said: "L'eglise saignera de toutes ses plaies", that is, "The Church will bleed from all her wounds."

    Then, there followed this text:

    There will be a wicked council planned and prepared that will change the countenance of the Church. Many will lose the Faith; confusion will reign everywhere. The sheep will search for their shepherds in vain.

    A schism will tear apart the holy tunic of My Son. This will be the end of times, foretold in the Holy Scriptures and recalled to memory by Me in many places. The abomination of abominations will reach its peak and it will bring the chastisement announced at La Salette. My Son's arm, which I will not be able to hold back anymore, will punish this poor world, which must expiate its crimes.

    One will only speak about wars and revolutions. The elements of nature will be unchained and will cause anguish even among the best (the most courageous). The Church will bleed from all Her wounds. Happy are they who will persevere and search for refuge in My Heart, because in the end My Immaculate Heart will triumph.



    After this message, the priest only heard one more sentence: "This is the Third Secret of Fatima."

    Could this be the true Third Secret, then? It could be. The identity of the priest is not known to Novus Ordo Watch. However, this text has been published and circulated before, for instance, in the book The Devil's Final Battle as well as in a newsletter of then-SSPX Bishop Richard Williamson in 2000. If this is the true Third Secret, it is no wonder why the Vatican, beginning in 1960 with John XXIII, did not wish to make it public. John XXIII claimed that the Third Secret "does not concern my pontificate" and refused to reveal it, despite the Blessed Virgin Mary's order that it be revealed to the faithful by 1960 at the latest. Of course, by 1960, preparations for John XXIII's so-called "Second Vaticcan Council" were running high, its convocation having been announced by him on January 25, 1959.

    It is perhaps particularly interesting that the text states: "The sheep will search for their shepherds in vain," a perfect description of the Catholic world according to the sedevacantist position, which holds that the clergy of the Novus Ordo Church (the Church of Vatican II) are not valid or legitimate Roman Catholic shepherds. Besides, the text makes reference to the "chastisement announced at La Salette", which could be another reference to the illegitimacy of the New Church, for it was at La Salette (in 1846) that Our Lady reportedly said that "Rome will lose the Faith and become the Seat of the Antichrist."

    The fact that, according to private testimony, then-"Cardinal" Joseph Ratzinger admitted in 2004 that the true text of the Third Secret speaks of an "evil council" (source here - see also this response), helps to bolster the hypothesis that this might indeed be the genuine Third Secret of Fatima, revealed by the Blessed Mother to Lucia dos Santos on July 13, 1917. (Though there are, of course, also some considerations that speak against this hypothesis.)

    The above text and its preface are based on a pamphlet Novus Ordo Watch received from a traditionalist Catholic German publisher, Pro Fide Catholica. It is reproduced here for the education and (hopefully) the benefit of faithful Catholics, but really for all men of good will. Whether it is the true Third Secret or not, we do not profess to know. But let us certainly follow its advice and seek refuge in the Immaculate Heart of Mary.




    Related:

    •"Cardinal" Oddi hints Third Secret about Vatican II
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    •Book: "The Secret Still Hidden" by Christopher A. Ferrara
    •No Friend of Fatima: Unspinning Christopher Ferrara's Defense of Benedict XVI
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    "A Wicked Council... The Church will Bleed from all Her Wounds"
    « Reply #1 on: November 05, 2012, 02:04:47 PM »
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  • That the involved "popes" are such filthy liars speaks to their relationship with the Father of Lies.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2012, 04:37:02 PM »
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  • Can anyone here think of any good reason why Pope Pius XII didn't release the third secret?

    No one in a position of authority at the Vatican, including the likes of Cardinal Ratzinger, are denying its existence.


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    "A Wicked Council... The Church will Bleed from all Her Wounds"
    « Reply #3 on: November 05, 2012, 08:50:56 PM »
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  • This is of course only my opinion, but might it be the pope did not release the third secret because he just could not believe that God would allow this to happen to His Church in that way.  Therefore he no doubt could not believe it was a true message from heaven.  

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    « Reply #4 on: November 05, 2012, 09:27:44 PM »
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  • Sometime ago, I got a hold of the following text from a source who claimed to have ties with those who had read the Secret in the past. According to the account this person gave, the Secret was translated from the original Portuguese into Latin when it arrived at Rome for the examination of the Pope and the Cardinals. Several copies of the translation were made, whilst the original Portuguese document authored by Sr. Lucia was kept by the Pope himself.

    Since the source did not identify himself satisfactorily, I do not trust it.

    Below is a transcript of what was read to me during the above-mentioned conversation in question. The lacunae are parts of the text that were missing or supposedly illegible in the document from which this person was reading to me, which was presumably a copy of a copy.

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    In Lusitania, dogma Fidei semper persevabitur, sed in iis tantum qui devovebunt Cordi Immaculati mei, praesertim recitatione Sacratissimi Rosarii, et sequentur omnia qui Filius meus docuit [lacuna] Ecce, tempus veniet in quo Ecclesia Filii mei persequetur modo non visus est in saeculis prioribus [lacuna] inter clericis atque episcopi (?) Romae mysterium iniquitatis fetinantius veniet, quia non vident zizania inimici in medio ejus [lacuna].


    That's as much as the person could get.

    Frankly I do not pay too much credit to such things, but I found the piece of paper wherein I wrote down this text recently in a tome that I was about to scan tonight and thought it interesting to post it here on CathInfo (the only place where I publish things).

    I do not even know if the Latin is correct...?

    However, the text above does elucidate upon the great conundrum that is often debated here (i.e., the question of what exactly is going on with the Church) in a very important manner. Paucity of time and exigencies of circumstance are delaying the research I am now undertaking regarding these matters...
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #5 on: November 05, 2012, 09:51:22 PM »
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  • I wish that this Latin be translated,

    Do I read in Portugal, the dogma of the faith will be always be kept.

    This is as far my memory of  Latin will take me.

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    "A Wicked Council... The Church will Bleed from all Her Wounds"
    « Reply #6 on: November 05, 2012, 10:37:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    I wish that this Latin be translated,


    Oh, sorry about that.

    Here is a loose English translation:

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    "In Portugal the dogma of the Faith shall always be preserved, but only in those who shall devote themselves unto my Immaculate Heart, particularly by the recitation of the Most Holy Rosary, and [those] who follow all that my Son hath taught [...] Lo, there shall come a time wherein the Church of my Son shall be persecuted in a manner that hath not been seen in previous ages [...] amidst the clerics and bishops at Rome the mystery of iniquity shall come more speedily, for they do not see [or perhaps it could be "for they do not wish to see," or "are unable to see"] the cockle of the enemy in their midst [...]"


    The thing about the text is, according to my view, that it does not hearken to the celestial simplicity wherewith the Blessed Mother speaks to the children, which is the same mysterious simplicity that is at once sublime and profound whereby Our Lord's sacred words are recorded in the Holy Gospels.

    If the account is true, "something" may have been lost in translation, as it is a Latin translation of the original Portuguese.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    "A Wicked Council... The Church will Bleed from all Her Wounds"
    « Reply #7 on: November 06, 2012, 04:59:32 AM »
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    The thing about the text is, according to my view, that it does not hearken to the celestial simplicity wherewith the Blessed Mother speaks to the children, which is the same mysterious simplicity that is at once sublime and profound whereby Our Lord's sacred words are recorded in the Holy Gospels.


    This is a good point.  But if it was a secret to be revealed to the Church then it may have been meant to be understood by a Pope rather than small children.

    But it is true that we can not put much weight on what we do not know about.  

    It could be about anything but the slightly educated gues would surmise that it would be about one or more of the following:

    1.  The council
    2.  The great apostacy
    3.  False/bad Popes
    4.  The new mass
    5.  The drastic decline in morality throughout the world
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #8 on: November 06, 2012, 05:11:06 AM »
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    This is of course only my opinion, but might it be the pope did not release the third secret because he just could not believe that God would allow this to happen to His Church in that way.  Therefore he no doubt could not believe it was a true message from heaven.  


    "The good continue on their way but without paying attention to the Message ... I cannot give any other details, since it is still a secret ... Only the Holy Father and His Excellency the Bishop of Fatima would be able to know it in accordance to the Will of the Blessed Virgin ... But they haven't willed to know it as they did not want to be influenced."      

    Pope Pius XII, therefore, without a doubt, preferred to wait for 1960, but he died before then. What a loss for the Church!4

    http://www.fatima.org/crusader/crthird/sfrpg05.asp

    I would also reccomend reading Fatima in Twilight by Mark Fellows.  We can only speculate about the motives of anyone but the humanistc way of thinking is that "We can't realease the message.  It is too much for them to handle."  Or, "I or the next valid Pope will release it in 1960 when it will be more understood and cause the least amount of scandal".

    Even now, 50 years later, with all the results before us, the mere possibility of SV  or a false pope approving a false council causes great scandal to some. Even the idea that not all Popes were perfect causes great scandal to some.  Knowing how many lay people react to such things could scare some people from presenting the hard facts.  But our Lady thought we would be ready for it, at least by 1960 and I tend to side with her.   :smile:
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #9 on: November 09, 2012, 09:36:49 PM »
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  • It is said that Fr. Malichi Martin knew of the secret.  He was on the radio with Art Bell.  I listened and the callers asked of the secret and told Fr. Martin of all different bodily harm that would come to us and Fr. Martin said it was worse than that, meaning the secret.  I came to my own opinion that it must be concerning the soul.  And I have the opinion that Sister Lucia said the secret is in the bible, if that be so.  I have the opinion of Chapter 12 of Daniel, saying that the "continual" sacrifice will come to an end.  And it states for how long a period, about 3 and a half years.  We don't know just how bad things can be without the True Precious Blood.  We will know.  My great-great uncle was a priest of the Precious Blood.  It was their mission to bring the wonderful news of the saving Precious Blood.  When Pope John XXIII came on, feast days were removed and what is said, is that the lst feast removed was the feast of the Precious Blood, July 1.  I do believe we need to educate ourselves more on the Powers of the Precious Blood.  Being traditional, I still see those around me not taking it as serious as they should.  We need more sermons on the powers of the Precious Blood!!

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    « Reply #11 on: November 10, 2012, 06:28:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Hugh Akins
    “Fr. Malachi Martin, whom this author had the honor of knowing personally, had come practically full circle from his earlier liberal days in the Vatican. It was a slow gradual transformation, but a certainty that the good Father became more and more traditional over the years, actually more traditional with the completion of each of his best selling books, which required of him extensive research study and prayer, until the final book, which he never got to complete, and which may have very well cost him his life. A work that was to shed light on Modernist Rome’s complicity in the building of the anti-Christian Judaic-Masonic New World Order, was too much for the enemies of Christ. A book of that nature written by an author of his standing would have reached millions and had to be stopped. There were many indications that the cause of Fr. Martin’s death was assassination, including the disappearance of the unfinished manuscript and his own final words that he’d been pushed down a flight of stairs while in his wheelchair.He was not able to identify the assailant who attacked from behind. His murderer may have escaped justice in time, but not in eternity. God knows his identity and will exact His vengeance. Fr. Martin may your soul rest in peace.”

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    « Reply #12 on: November 10, 2012, 08:18:55 PM »
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  • I did read from a source that Pope Pius XII did read the Third Secret, and
    after reading the secret, he almost passed out. However, he did not reveal
    in what he read.



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    « Reply #13 on: November 10, 2012, 11:47:44 PM »
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  • It would take an Act of God for the Third Secret to be revealed now.  The modernists have had forty years and four popes to destroy any existing copies.  I think that starting some time in 2025 or so, all talk of a Third Secret will cease in novus ordo circles and the n.o. priests will stop referring to Fatima except in very vague ways and even redacted ways.  

    When was the last time you heard a novus ordo priest or apologist talk of Lourdes?  Or Our Lady of La Salette?  Or even Our Lady?  I never heard a sermon on Our Lady until I discovered Tradition.  I always sat there and wondered why I felt so much love for her but never heard her mentioned in mass.    

    By not bringing Fatima up, they fully expect Fatima to fade in the memories of the novus ordo faithful.  The modernists have a good point there, most novus ordites think the latin mass was a latin version of their lutheran services that the watch, in person, every Sunday.  

    I think that the extreme vagueness of "novus ordo religious education" is a deliberate action.  The purpose is for the students to become completely unaware of a Catholic Faith that people in the past were willing to die for instead of betray.  Students not introduced to Tradition and the Catechism and the great writings of the Saints are unlikely to discover them on their own and, if by chance they try, they may come across the Paulist Press which, I kid you not, offers St. Francis de Sales "The Introduction to the Devout Life" but touts that they "updated it for the modern reader.  Did mankind go through some seismic biological change in 1965 disintegrating mankind into pre-modern and modern?  

    A poorly educated novus ordite may wonder why he's so bored at "mass" but he generally does not have the acuity to pinpoint his problem.  If he speaks with a novus ordo priest or some layperson at his parish they probably will just say that he has to be obedient or recommend that he attend a novus ordo retreat.  Eventually, he may actually decide that his "heart" isn't mean to be a "practicing" Catholic.  That's probably the fate of the largest group of Catholics post-Vatican II, the ones who saw the changes and said "Whatever, dude" then they walked away and maybe only come back on Christmas and Easter.


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    « Reply #14 on: November 11, 2012, 08:42:10 AM »
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    A poorly educated novus ordite may wonder why he's so bored at "mass" but he generally does not have the acuity to pinpoint his problem. If he speaks with a novus ordo priest or some layperson at his parish they probably will just say that he has to be obedient or recommend that he attend a novus ordo retreat. Eventually, he may actually decide that his "heart" isn't mean to be a "practicing" Catholic. That's probably the fate of the largest group of Catholics post-Vatican II, the ones who saw the changes and said "Whatever, dude" then they walked away and maybe only come back on Christmas and Easter.


    Most incisive.  I was that novus ordite precisely.  There were no trad Masses for hundreds of miles in the neighborhood where I grew up, so I just hadn't a clue about "tradition", and had the exact experience you describe.   But it wasn't so much boredom, as yearning.  Changing parishes, talking to the priests, never helped and yes, I was often referred to either an n.o. retreat or their group bible study groups, or invited to join a "ministry".   It's best described as, I didn't know what I was searching for, but I knew what they were practicing was wrong, and sometimes awful.
    That n.o. cabal isolate the faithful from tradition so effectively it's diabolical.

    I moved from that region, still unaware of the Tridentine rite. One sad Easter 10 years ago, at the n.o. version of a Vigil Mass, as  I kneeled after communion and cell phones rang around me, the woman in front of me tugging on her very tight and very short skirt in an unsuccessful attempt to cover herself, children laughing and playing in the aisles, with one running up to the altar (communion still being distributed), and incessant talking as I tried to offer thanksgiving, I hit the wall, broke down and cried.  It was that moment I knew I could not ever go back, but what to do?  I could not become protestant, this was certain.  The anguish was tormenting!
    God mercifully heard my heartbroken plea - do not let me be confounded, Lord!  He allowed me to stumble upon a traditional independent chapel in the area, one of the few with daily Mass, 4 on Sunday, and devotions several times a week.  Imagine my surprise to find that the Faith was still alive and well in little pockets around the world.  

    The yearning has not ceased, it has in fact increased, not from deprivation as before, but in the bliss of moving closer to His Sacred Heart.  Life is now joyful.

     

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