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"A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
« on: September 15, 2011, 10:42:40 AM »
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  • A tiny, humble piece of bread

    The title alone is heretical

    As a eucharistic minister at a hospital, Paul Wilkes brings food for the journey of life

    Oct. 29, 2010
    By Thomas C. Fox

    Writer Paul Wilkes’ latest opus, Holding God in My Hands: Personal Encounters with the Divine, is a book of contemporary parables focused on the Eucharist. In particular, it is series of stories about Wilkes’ ministry, bringing God, in the form of a host, to the sick and dying. Each story, then, becomes a springboard for spiritual reflection. Author of more than 20 books, Wilkes is also a contributor to the National Catholic Reporter.

    Fox: Why this book?
    Wilkes: I’m a eucharistic minister at my local hospital. I’ve been doing this for 15 years. I go every week. I’ve probably seen 5,000 patients. I’ve been keeping track of the people I talk to, and if I would see them again I would make a note or two about what their condition was or what I or my parish might be able to do for them. The stories just started to occur.

    You write about bringing the real presence of God as you visit patients. What’s that like?

    Ask 10 Catholics what transubstantiation means. I don’t think you’re going to get the same answer, but ask 10 Catholics what “real presence” means and I think you’re going to get the same answer, pretty much. I don’t know how this works, Tom, believe me, but it’s God in our midst in that humble, tiny piece of unleavened, tasteless bread.

    This is heresy as he describes the consubstantiation of Luther. In transubstantiation bread no longer exists.

    When you bring the Eucharist what kind of reaction do you get?

    Well, Tom, it would run the gamut from “How did you know I was here?” and “I’m so happy you’re here,” to “I shut God out of my life a long time ago.” So it’s all in between there. I think that oftentimes the person might be groggy or not feeling well, but 95 percent of the time they really appreciate a visitor, and a visitor who is not going to jab them with a needle, not going to ask them any questions about their name, rank and serial number.

    How do you feel ministering to the sick and dying?
    Humility. ... To think that I, layman, Paul Wilkes, can walk into a hospital with the presence of God and pray with someone, touch a face and hold a hand, and give holy Communion, that’s a pretty humbling experience.

    There’s intimacy here?
    There is, Tom, because I don’t just walk in a room, saying, “This is the body of Christ ...” and I’m off. I look at the person. I look at what’s happening. I can tell if the bags [under the eyes] are there and I know if there is chemo, or if there are many flowers in a room, or there’s family, or cards, or grandchildren. Sometimes I’ll ask what brought them into the hospital, but more often I ask about themselves.

    Once I had a wonderful encounter with a fellow who built bridges in New York City. As I began to pray with him, I said, “Lord God, here is a man who has been so brave and has built bridges that have linked land masses that have transported millions upon millions of people, and now here he is, Lord, and you are the bridge to him. Bring him your graces and bring him your healing. Let him feel your presence. Let him feel your love at this very moment, in this tiny, humble piece of bread.”

    That’s prayer.
    Yesterday I had a cataract removed from one eye and I wore dark glasses. My eyes were a little itchy and I was under an anesthetic for 15 minutes. This is minor-league stuff compared to the people whom I visit in the hospital, but all of a sudden I realized how disoriented I was after the anesthetic.

    I can understand better each time I go to the hospital how frightened people are in the hospital, and we all are. Nobody goes into that place without being frightened. Of course, if you’re going to have a baby, I guess you’re going to come out the other end happier, and many people do get cured, but it’s a place where people are frightened.

    So I try to dispel the fright as best I can, not by being stupidly funny or anything like that. Nothing’s worse than forced humor in a hospital. I mean, my God, you don’t want that, but I look at them and I really try to know them as best I can. I’ve found something too, often if it’s a really old woman, I’ll reach and I’ll touch her cheek, or if it’s somebody I know from my parish, I’ll reach and hug them. Sometimes their head is hot with fever.

    You write in the book that you’ve seen miracles happen enough times as you brought holy Communion to patients. Tell me, what do you mean by that?
    I think you see it in something as simple as a person being very, very anxious when I’d come into the room, maybe even refusing holy Communion, saying, “Oh, no, I’ve been away from the church for a while,” or “I married outside the church,” or “Fr. O’Malley told me ...” whatever, almost like saying, “No, I’m not going to do that.”

    Then as I talk to them and tell them really what it’s about, they come to the point where they say, “All right. I’ll receive.” Then they take the host and you hear that exhale, that’s the miracle. That is their concern and their worry, and the next inhale is inhaling not only this host, but just inhaling God in a way, and you can see it on their face and they’re calm.

    This is sinful as those who have married outside the Church are in the state of mortal sin not allowed to receive Holy Communion unless they repent and confess.

    You write about the irony of health and sickness. Can you elaborate?
    With some sick people, their souls are sick, and with others, their souls are healthy. Here’s an example. I had a woman who, I came into her room and she had two statues, 15 holy cards, nine rosaries, and she was so angry about life, about her husband that left her, about her children that didn’t visit, “but I’ve got my faith.” Well, you know, it was a brittle faith to me. It wasn’t a loving faith.

    How non-judgmental of him!

    Not that her faith is bad or anything like that, but it just wasn’t working for her. It was such a tight hold that she felt she had on it and she never let people in; she never let the world in. I could just see that it wasn’t a liberation for her. Other people I’ve seen just with that look on their face -- they may have a rosary there -- they just knew that God was with them, was going to stay with them.

    I just had a woman last week, 80 years old, lung cancer. She says, “I’m dying, but I’m not going to hit my head against that brick wall. I’m just going to go into this knowing that God is with me and that he’s waiting.” Often I hear that: “He’s waiting. He’s waiting for me.” I’ve prayed with many people in hospice and I’ve been fortunate enough to be in a room right as a person dies.

    What about sin? How does it fit in when you offer the host?
    Sin is not part of my equation when I go into a room.

    Obviously

    As I always say, I don’t check their bar codes too carefully. I’m not asking if they’ve been to Mass, if they’ve done their Easter duty or they’ve been to confession in the last so-often.

    or if they are even Catholic....

    This is the battlefield. This is the hospital. This is the pastoral judgment we have to make as hospital eucharistic ministers -- that this person needs. The eucharist is not a reward for good behavior; it’s food for the journey of life.

    There’s much that’s fulfilling about the work you’re doing. What’s frustrating?
    I think what’s frustrating is how guilty so many Catholics feel. Fr. O’Malley, back in grade school, which maybe was 60 years ago, told them, “If you do this, you’re going to hell,” and some of them really remember that and feel that way.

    Nice denial of the existence and effects of mortal sin.

    Tom, over a lifetime of being a not so good a guy too many years, I’ve always felt God’s grace and I’ve always felt his forgiveness and his love and his compassion. So the God that I know -- and it’s the only God I can talk about, it’s the only God I can bring to that room -- is a God of mercy, love, compassion and with a great sense of humor. He chuckles at our stupidities and welcomes us home.

    Do you feel that sometimes you’re breaking church canons? Would your bishop be pleased or offended by some of the things you do?
    I would invite my bishop to come with me and to see, and then I would have to have him draw that judgment at the end of our rounds together. I would actively invite him to come with me, not with his cross on, but just with a plain shirt on so people wouldn’t know who he is, and just walk with me through those rooms, and then he could judge me as he would.

    So the bishop should dress in lay clothes to visit the Catholic sick?

    Who is this book written for?
    As a writer, I never think about an audience. I guess I should, but I never do. As a journalist, I’ve always felt, “Hey, I found out something really interesting and I want to tell you about it.” So there’s that part about it, the journalist part that says, “These are great stories. I want to tell you.”

    But really, I think the book, of course, is designed for any seeker who seeks the presence of God, who wants to know what the presence of God about, how does God work in the world, what the Eucharist is about, all that, but also, of course, for eucharistic ministers, to not just feel you have to go into the room with your book, with the ritual prayers. You can walk in there as another human being and say, “Look, I’m here and let’s find out what’s going on. How can I be with you at this time or be of assistance to you?” and to be able to pray with people.

    [Thomas C. Fox is NCR editor. His e-mail address is tfox@ncronline.org.]



    Offline Stephen Francis

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    "A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
    « Reply #1 on: September 28, 2011, 05:26:19 PM »
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  • Just more indifferent puke from a compromised Novus Ordo apostate.

    Don't worry too much, though... he's only handing out Bogus Crackers, not Our Lord in the Sacrament.

    See, it's people like that which are such good examples of how false religion is used by the Devil to blind and keep bound all those who refuse to obey Holy Church.

    St. Clare of Assisi, lover and defender of Christ in the Holy Eucharist, pray for us.

    St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    "A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
    « Reply #2 on: September 29, 2011, 10:30:40 AM »
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  • Obviously, this priest needs some serious schooling in the theology of the Eucharist and his lack of reverence in the way he treats it.

    @Stephen Franicis: Your comments would do Jack Chick proud. If your intent is to convince people of the rightness of your position, you're doing it wrong.
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    "A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
    « Reply #3 on: September 29, 2011, 03:04:58 PM »
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  • @aquinasandmore:

    No, my intent was not to "convince" anyone. Those who are of the truth understand exactly what I meant.

    Did Our Lord call the Pharisees some "Jєωs with serious misunderstandings"? No, he called them whitewashed sepulchers, cups that were clean on the outside but filthy within.

    Not every comment that I, or anyone else, will make is for public consumption by just any person. The book called "The Glories of Mary", written by St. Alphonsus Liguori, was and is certainly not a book that one would hand to a protestant heretic in the hope that it would "convince" him on anything, is it?

    You'll also have to bear in mind that I was not referring to a fellow Catholic, I was not referring to a saint, a Pope, a Bishop or anyone else of the sort. I was referring to the ecuмenical garbage that was being spewed by someone who has not either the education (which I doubt) nor the courage to abjure these blasphemies and separate himself from heretical, false faiths.

    I was also not referring to the PERSON in question. I was referring to the quality of WHAT was said, not in any way to WHO was saying it.

    Oh, and just so we're CRYSTAL clear: Novus Ordo = illicit, invalid, illegal, impotent. And yes, those things on their "table" for their "meal" are nothing more than crackers. Absolutely and without any reservation, doubt or concern for other opinions on the matter.

    Now, if you'd like to talk about what I think of the PERSON who made those statements, or about anyone ELSE who is not actively promoting heresy and blasphemy and sacrilege, but might just be seriously misled and uninformed, then, by ALL MEANS, ask away.

    My heart breaks for the person who made those statements. They read as though they are his personal thoughts... I would react VERY differently if those statements were being presented as any sort of authoritative instruction to anyone.

    FYI, I didn't read that this guy is a priest; I think he's just another 'extraordinary minister' of the Novus Ordo.

    One last thing, aquinasandmore... please, unless you really intended to be so uncharitable, don't EVER, EVER refer to me or my comments in the same context as the hateful anti-Christian heretic Jack Chick again. I ask you to please retract those words.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    "A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
    « Reply #4 on: September 29, 2011, 03:10:33 PM »
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  • @stephen francis: Your words (especially in reference to cookies and crackers) could be straight from a Jack Chick tract. I have nothing to retract.

    I find it sad that you would spew such venom when you have admitted that you aren't even officially Catholic yet. Why don't you rectify that little stumbling block to salvation before you get up on your pedestal to cast aspersions and mockery on everyone who doesn't agree with you?
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    "A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
    « Reply #5 on: September 29, 2011, 03:23:48 PM »
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  • @aquinas:

    You're right; I'm not 'officially Catholic' yet... I'm not nearly as Catholic as your friends the Modernists, or the Muslims, or the Hindus. You know, all the people that got together to 'pray' with Wojtyla, the ones who hang out with Ratzinger, too. They're all "IN" YOUR so-called 'catholic club', because somehow, they're 'mystically' this and 'mysteriously' that, and somehow IN YOUR version of the 'church'. Your 'catechism' makes THEM more Catholic than almost ANYONE on this board, because the heretics don't need special permission for THEIR 'worship, like the traditional Catholics supposedly need your "permission" from Newrome.

    I haven't gone and sung 'On Eagles' Wings' and been 'blessed' by a 'presider' over some 'memorial meal' and been sprinkled by him, so I don't belong.

    Nice application of your 'baptism of desire' excuse... your kind uses it LIBERALLY (no pun) on the Mohammedans and other heretics, but let someone confess the Creed and hold to the Traditional Faith, and I'm 'spewing venom'.

    Your Fraternity exists because of the 'Indult', which is illegal. They celebrate a 'mass' which is modernized, protestantized and useless.

    Now, how is it that I'M the one spewing venom of any kind when it's YOUR friends Wojtyla and Ratzinger who are spitting in the faces of their predecessors and of the saints who DIED before they would abandon their Faith?

    Anyone who doesn't kowtow to NewRome is a friend of Jack Chick? Tell that to Padre Pio and Teresa of Avila. When people went awry in their day, they were called on it.

    One day, you won't even be allowed to have the protestant services you have NOW... I'll still be willing to open the doors of the Church to YOU, because you'll need Her in due time.
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    "A tiny, humble piece of bread"??
    « Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 03:32:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: aquinasnmore
    @stephen francis: Your words (especially in reference to cookies and crackers) could be straight from a Jack Chick tract. I have nothing to retract.

    I find it sad that you would spew such venom when you have admitted that you aren't even officially Catholic yet. Why don't you rectify that little stumbling block to salvation before you get up on your pedestal to cast aspersions and mockery on everyone who doesn't agree with you?


    Aquinas, I think you need to read what Archbishop LeFebvre said about the NO (and before you say he's excommunicated, Benedict said his situation was not handled properly).

    "The Novus Ordo Missae, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, is impregnated with the spirit of Protestantism...it bears within it a poison harmful to the Faith". -Archbishop LeFebvre

    Stephen Francis said nothing offensive. It is possible for the Consecration at the NO to be valid, provided the priest has the proper intentions. According to ABL however, if the intentions are not there then it is not valid.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.