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Offline Jaynek

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Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2018, 11:43:05 AM »
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  • Don't people need above average intelligence to work in IT?  If so, it would not be a realistic choice for everyone.

    I know my husband is very smart and have had the impression that this was necessary for his job.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #31 on: November 03, 2018, 12:08:13 PM »
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  • Don't people need above average intelligence to work in IT?  If so, it would not be a realistic choice for everyone.

    I know my husband is very smart and have had the impression that this was necessary for his job.

    I was just about to write another post, and guess what it was about? The downside of IT (specifically, software development) being that you need to have an above-average IQ.

    The fact is, it's a very difficult field unless you're talented AND dedicated to it. If you try to go part-time for a while, or spend time doing other things, forget it. You have to specialize, but on the other hand you need to keep up with the latest trends, and be willing to completely start over every 5 years or so. Things change so quickly in this field. Stuff you did 10 years ago is useless. Oh, and raw youth is the thing most valued by companies. They want young men* who are dedicated to the company, with a stereotypical Asian work-life balance, being willing to work long hours, weekends, etc. and not be hampered by having a family or a life outside work.

    (* they'd love to have women, but they just aren't available in this field. Women are more interested in people than things, but I digress.)

    I have a natural talent for programming that I discovered with I was 7 (when I decided this would be my career), and I started writing games and programs for fun when I was 15, while other teenagers were out doing normal teenager stuff. I've worked as a professional programmer since 1998.

    Nevertheless, for a host of reasons, I am currently unemployed.

    * For 10 years I worked remotely for a very small company. Fortunately, I studied and did side projects on my own, but still.
    * 3 1/2 years off to try out a vocation
    * for about 5 years I practically worked part-time, distracted with things like my family, programming a couple side projects, the Resistance, starting up a chapel, and CathInfo
    * For a total of 8 years I worked for series of clients or "gigs". Being forced to wear many hats meant that I formed a broad experience in many technologies and languages, but never went "deep" into any of them. Most companies want to hire an expert/specialist, not a jack-of-all-trades.
    * In the world of software development, you have to add 10 to your age to get your "perceived age". It's like dog years. If most people start having trouble getting hired in their 50's, then in software development that trouble starts in your 40's.
    * My career was never a high priority, as long as we were doing OK financially. Work-life balance was a big issue for me.

    But being able to pay the bills comfortably and having enough extra money to make large capital improvements (buy larger vehicles, expand living space) are two different things. Our family was/is still in the growth phase.

    So recently my wife and I made the big decision that I would try to switch gears and start working full time jobs "for the man", for a company, usually in San Antonio. Despite the fact that I gave up on working on-site/full time around 2006. I had decided it would be best for me to always work for myself, going from client to client and gig to gig. So my resume wasn't exactly stellar for this new purpose ("working for a company full time"). It worked out for about a year -- I got 2 contract positions back-to-back. Then it dried up, and I haven't been able to get anyone to hire me since. Apparently those 2 positions were the exception.

    I never in a million years would have thought this could happen to me. I consider myself a natural born (talented) programmer, but also an experienced and capable one. When given the chance, I am extremely proficient at designing, coding, testing, implementing software of all kinds. I just finished a "gig" that involved 2 separate programs: encrypting video into a stream onto a USB drive, and then playing back that encrypted video in an Android TV app. Each video is encrypted to work on just one Android TV box. It involved a lot of moving parts, but I did it all by myself in a couple months part-time. I designed the whole solution, did the research, worked with the client, and everything.

    It's been very humbling and frustrating, to be honest. At the first full time job (a very liberal company), most of the programmers were millennials, very liberal, and many of the older ones in their 30's had only been programming for a few years. But because of bad luck, timing, etc. they got hired in the nick of time, with the company changing drastically after that (the owner retiring, for one) so I didn't get hired after my contract ended. I was probably the 3rd or 4th best programmer there out of 11, but I was the first to be "let go". It might have had to do with my worldview; who knows. My immediate manager was a hipster pro-Hillary SJW and openly homosexual. The man who decided about hiring/not hiring me got most of his information about me through this homosexual manager. I could imagine that manager wanting me gone, since he knew I was "religious" and therefore against everything he stands for.

    I guess it's just a question of finding the right fit. Unfortunately, that fit is taking many months to find. This is not only discouraging for me, but if I were a young man looking at this from the outside and considering a career in software development, I would be terrified and run the other way.

    I honestly don't know what I should have/could have done differently. Again, I'm a Traditional Catholic raising a family as well as a man with a software dev career. The things have to stay in balance.
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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #32 on: November 03, 2018, 12:23:19 PM »
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  • I guess it's just a question of finding the right fit. Unfortunately, that fit is taking many months to find.
    When my husband was laid off from Blackberry it took him more than a year to find a good fit for his next job.  He had a great severance package so this was not a financial hardship, but it was a bit stressful.  He was in his late 50s at that time and coming from a senior position which made it difficult.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #33 on: November 03, 2018, 12:32:10 PM »
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  • And for what it's worth, it's not just computers/IT but pretty much any technology, engineering or math field that enjoys this privilege. I'd say "STEM" but that includes science, and you can't have a career in science without being pro-evolution.
    I don't think it's a coincidence that these fields still have more men than women working in them.  That is probably another advantage. 

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #34 on: November 03, 2018, 01:16:21 PM »
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  • I'm sorry to hear about your situation, Matthew.  I know for a fact that if I got laid of from my current position, I'd basically be done.  I'd probably finish out my days working at McDonald's.  I just turned 50.  Matthew, do you know how to develop in Delphi?  If so, send me a PM.


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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #35 on: November 03, 2018, 03:26:35 PM »
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  • Who said anything about absolutely or 100% safe? It goes without saying that anything involving human beings is going to carry a certain amount of risk.

    Straw man argument.

    And for what it's worth, it's not just computers/IT but pretty much any technology, engineering or math field that enjoys this privilege. I'd say "STEM" but that includes science, and you can't have a career in science without being pro-evolution.
    You seem a bit defensive here Matthew.  My impression of the OP was that ...yes...IT was being described as safe with no qualifiers what-so-ever.
    And I really wasn't trying to make any "argument".  In fact, ironically, before I posted I was thinking that I agreed with you.  :laugh1:   
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #36 on: November 04, 2018, 04:47:29 AM »
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  • Is there anybody who is interested in statistics?
    I did a bachelor's degree in computing science. Later, I thought a programming career is not beneficial to 
    me because of some reasons, so I enrolled in a statistics course, I felt in love with it immediately. 

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #37 on: November 04, 2018, 01:40:24 PM »
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  • At my office I'd say that IT is a pretty good "safe" profession. Everyone expects the IT guys to be a bit odd so as long at the server is up and the staff can get their work done the IT guys are left in peace. Nobody expects them to make small talk about politics or go to the office happy hours after work. One of our lead engineers is a family man and a devout Jehovah's Witness. Except to let people know that he doesn't appreciate blasphemy in his presence he only talks about work and he's fine. 


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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #38 on: February 25, 2019, 01:41:38 AM »
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  • There's IT (Information Technology), SE (Software Engineering) and CS (Computer Science, more theoretical stuff). 
    Most of the non-technical people just call it IT.  I've done a little of all kinds, starting in 1969.
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    I NEVER recommend IT careers to anybody, unless you just have to do it or can't do anything else. 
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    Why?  Because every 5 years half of what you know becomes obsolete.  There are some exceptions, (e.i. staying
    at one company for 20 years and the company avoids upgrading to newer programming languages). 
    Working for state or federal government is like this, slow to change.
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    Problem.  You started working at age 25.  Now you are 50.  You are obsolete, a dinosaur.  New college graduates
    are applying to your company who know the latest stuff and ready to work for a starting wage.  

    Problem.  You don't get retirement benefits, unless you are lucky to get hired by one of the big companies.
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    Problem.  As a programmer or developer, there are deadlines, fast-paced environments, and free coffee.
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    Problem.  A photographic memory of the most dry technical, human poorly-designed stuff is required.  If you are
    a creative artistic person, you will go insane.  Source code can be very ugly and nearly unreadable.  You are
    always working with somebody else's ugly code. 
    .
    Problem.  A new trend is that you work on contract and maybe work from home (no benefits, no eating lunch with
    the guys).  The bad part of this is that you have to compete with guys in India who are happy to work for $10/hr.
    BTW, Microsofts 2nd largest software development facility is in Hyderbhad, India.
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    Problem.  A recruiter calls and wants to fill a position in Silicon Valley.  He wants to know when was the last time
    you worked for a corporation.  You say, 6 months ago.  He says, Thank you, bye.  Hey, it's technology.  You have
    to keep up to date.  He is assuming that a corporation will keep you up to date (which may not happen) and you
    haven't worked for 6 months and forgot everything.
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    Problem.  There are at least 100 computer language is use today.  Most jobs require that you know at least 5 of
    them, preferably 10.  Each company has a different 10 that they want you to know.  So, you thought all programming
    jobs were basically the same, easy to move from one company to another.  WRONG. 
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    There are jobs in Silicon Valley, New York City, Chicago, etc., wherever the cost of living is sky high. 
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    At one of my high-points financially, I was working in Houston.  I met a guy who was a hair stylist (part time)
    who was making more that I did, and he will be better at 50.  You will be obsolete at 50.
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    I could write a book about this subject.  There are some exceptions.  There are some good jobs out there. 
    There are some good bosses out there.  But there are other good professions, also.   Pick one in which you will
    be better at 50.






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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #39 on: February 25, 2019, 02:38:10 AM »
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  • There's IT (Information Technology), SE (Software Engineering) and CS (Computer Science, more theoretical stuff).  
    Most of the non-technical people just call it IT.  I've done a little of all kinds, starting in 1969.
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    I NEVER recommend IT careers to anybody, unless you just have to do it or can't do anything else.  
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    Why?  Because every 5 years half of what you know becomes obsolete.  There are some exceptions, (e.i. staying
    at one company for 20 years and the company avoids upgrading to newer programming languages).  
    Working for state or federal government is like this, slow to change.
    .
    Problem.  You started working at age 25.  Now you are 50.  You are obsolete, a dinosaur.  New college graduates
    are applying to your company who know the latest stuff and ready to work for a starting wage......

    I'd agree with you, I have been thinking of moving into another field. Statistics was what I chose some years ago.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #40 on: February 25, 2019, 03:29:46 AM »
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  • Statistics is in the math field which may be hard to find work in.
    Insurance companies use statisticians, but you may have to compete
    with people who have masters degrees in math or statistics.


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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #41 on: February 25, 2019, 04:32:20 AM »
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  • Statistics is in the math field which may be hard to find work in.
    Insurance companies use statisticians, but you may have to compete
    with people who have masters degrees in math or statistics.


    It's so true!
    You need a master degree to find jobs.
    It's a very interesting subject to learn, but difficult to master due to the math involved.
    Also there are not a lot of jobs.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #42 on: February 25, 2019, 07:22:45 AM »
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  • I NEVER recommend IT careers to anybody, unless you just have to do it or can't do anything else.  
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    Why?  Because every 5 years half of what you know becomes obsolete.  There are some exceptions, (e.i. staying
    at one company for 20 years and the company avoids upgrading to newer programming languages).  
    Working for state or federal government is like this, slow to change.
    .
    Problem.  You started working at age 25.  Now you are 50.  You are obsolete, a dinosaur.  New college graduates
    are applying to your company who know the latest stuff and ready to work for a starting wage.  
    You know the deal! 
    By the way, I didn't announce it on CI (and due to my high profile, high target status I won't be handing the world the name of my employer on a silver platter) but I did find a software development job, able to work from home full-time, at the beginning of the year.
    It's the first time I've been a hired, full-time employee since 2004. I've always been a contract worker, not necessarily by choice.
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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #43 on: February 25, 2019, 08:12:10 AM »
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  • You know the deal!
    By the way, I didn't announce it on CI (and due to my high profile, high target status I won't be handing the world the name of my employer on a silver platter) but I did find a software development job, able to work from home full-time, at the beginning of the year.
    It's the first time I've been a hired, full-time employee since 2004. I've always been a contract worker, not necessarily by choice.
    Huge congrats on being "able to work from home full-time." Deo Gratias!
    For a small gain they travel far; for eternal life many will scarcely lift a foot from the ground. - Thomas A Kempis

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #44 on: July 10, 2019, 08:20:05 AM »
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  • I NEVER recommend IT careers to anybody, unless you just have to do it or can't do anything else.  
    .
    Why?  Because every 5 years half of what you know becomes obsolete.  There are some exceptions, (e.i. staying
    at one company for 20 years and the company avoids upgrading to newer programming languages).  
    Working for state or federal government is like this, slow to change.
    .
    Problem.  You started working at age 25.  Now you are 50.  You are obsolete, a dinosaur.  New college graduates
    are applying to your company who know the latest stuff and ready to work for a starting wage.  
    ...
    ...
    ...
    I could write a book about this subject.  There are some exceptions.  There are some good jobs out there.  
    There are some good bosses out there.  But there are other good professions, also.   Pick one in which you will
    be better at 50.

    Wow, I had the same opinions as you !
    That's why I chose to study something else years ago. For years, I didn't know what to study.
    Finally I chose Statistics 8 years ago. Although it didn't benefit me much financially :(, it influenced my thinking a lot. It's very interesting and I'm still wanting to learn more... you may call me CRAZY!  ::)

     

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