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Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2018, 05:17:37 PM »
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  • As Ladislaus said, his personal dislike of the field is "just him" and it is not a reason for others not to consider it.  Also, the good pay can make it easier to put up with some of the negative aspects of the job.

    Yes, and it also depends on the type of position one has within IT.  I worked as an "Enterprise Architect" once, and I absolutely hated it.  Great pay, but it was ALL meetings and docuмents and presentations.  For someone who enjoys the "development" aspect of IT, this job was torture.  Some people prefer support, other people development, and yet others might enjoy the project management side of things.  So maybe we're being too loose in using the term IT.

    I am just trying to give one example of someone who doesn't find IT very satisfying.  Now, there are benefits.  For me, when my mind is actively engaged in trying to solve a problem, the time passes very quickly.  I could sit down, start developing software, look up, and it's lunch time, and look down, look up, and time to leave.  That's how quickly a day can pass when you're working on software development.  Project management, business analysis, docuмentation, etc. ... those aspects of IT I would not really like as much.  But everyone is different.


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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #16 on: November 01, 2018, 10:34:02 AM »
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  • I'm a Sys Admin for one of the big 4.

    My job pays well and it is really easy (to me). I've been in IT for about 15 years now professionally. It is one of those jobs where you don't have to deal too much with office politics and you can do your own thing and it has a good bit of freedom (at least mine does).

    I've worked for some horrible companies though that did not respect my family time and always wanted me to work weekends. The key to having a good career in IT is not working for what is called a "Managed Service Provider" AKA outsourced IT. That is extremely stressful, and although you learn a lot, it is essentially teaching grown children how to use computers.



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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #17 on: November 01, 2018, 01:33:27 PM »
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  • I'm a Sys Admin for one of the big 4.

    My job pays well and it is really easy (to me). I've been in IT for about 15 years now professionally. It is one of those jobs where you don't have to deal too much with office politics and you can do your own thing and it has a good bit of freedom (at least mine does).

    I've worked for some horrible companies though that did not respect my family time and always wanted me to work weekends. The key to having a good career in IT is not working for what is called a "Managed Service Provider" AKA outsourced IT. That is extremely stressful, and although you learn a lot, it is essentially teaching grown children how to use computers.

    It all depends on the company.  Some places are veritable sweat-shops, others extremely casual and laid back.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #18 on: November 01, 2018, 02:12:47 PM »
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  • Yep, exactly. I literally work 10 minutes down the road from my house and I am the only one here. I can work from home whenever. Get free training on anything I want. It really is a dream job for me. I could always make more money somewhere else, but I'm happy with my salary and current situation, so I have no desire to switch to a different role. I'll probably stay here at least for another 3 years before I start exploring higher paying positions.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #19 on: November 01, 2018, 02:37:35 PM »
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  • When looking for IT work, one recruiter tried to get me to apply, but it turned out pornographers were the majority of her company's customers. So, IT isn't necessarily "a safe career for Traditional Catholics".


    Guess what? Literally EVERY OTHER PROFESSION might be faced with having to deal with a porn company: plumbers, cooks, bakers, copy machine repair, marketing, sales, you name it.

    Working for an immoral company/client is the one exception, even in careers that are generally safe for Catholics.

    My point was that STEM fields are still heavily grounded in reality and science. And as such, they are friendly to Catholics trying to keep God's law. God is the author of truth, both in the physical world AND in the moral sphere.

    Fields outside STEM are much more affected by modern errors (feminism, Freudism, atheism, Darwinism, political correctness, anti-Catholic, anti-life, etc.)

    These modern errors ultimately go against reality. But engineers (physical, mechanical, and software) are exempt from the insanity for now: if you build bridge X with 3 pillars instead of 4, the thing will collapse. Opinions, being personally offended, and feelings be damned. So engineers are set free to deal completely in reality.

    As long as you can stand all your co-workers being atheists and agnostics, and you have the mind/temperament for IT, then by all means look into it.
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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #20 on: November 01, 2018, 04:22:42 PM »
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  • Isn't an EMP attack or the Chastisement all it takes for the IT profession to be obsolete?

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #21 on: November 01, 2018, 04:39:40 PM »
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  • Isn't an EMP attack or the Chastisement all it takes for the IT profession to be obsolete?
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    If the digital infrastructure collapses the least of everyone's concerns will be what job they have.  If IT goes the way of the dodo bird it's because something really bad happened, and at that point the only skills that matter are trade/survival skills anyways. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #22 on: November 02, 2018, 11:00:19 PM »
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  • Literally EVERY OTHER PROFESSION might be faced with having to deal with a porn company: plumbers, cooks, bakers, copy machine repair, marketing, sales, you name it.
    Any IT infrastructure behind the internet materially contributes to pornography. Material complicity isn't always a sin, though.
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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #23 on: November 03, 2018, 07:18:58 AM »
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  • My first reaction to this thread was that no profession is "safe".  If you are working "in the world" a Catholic is never "safe".  There may be some professions that shield you better than others, but don't fool yourselves into thinking any are 100% safe.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #24 on: November 03, 2018, 09:59:08 AM »
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  • My first reaction to this thread was that no profession is "safe".  If you are working "in the world" a Catholic is never "safe".  There may be some professions that shield you better than others, but don't fool yourselves into thinking any are 100% safe.
    Of course.  "Satan prowls like a lion" is always true.  Saying that IT is safe actually means that it is relatively safe, not that it is safe in an absolute sense.  One must rely on prayer and the Sacraments, not on one's choice of profession, to be preserved from evil.  Nevertheless we have a responsibility to avoid near occasions of sin, so it is good to know about this aspect of various careers.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #25 on: November 03, 2018, 10:32:18 AM »
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  • Obviously we're discussing relative safety.  By contrast, if you were to go into the medical field, how long before you're being asked to vaccinate some kids, pull the plug on someone, refer them for an abortion, or hand them birth control?

    If teaching, how long before you're being forced to incorporate morally-objectionable views into your subject matter?


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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #26 on: November 03, 2018, 10:43:15 AM »
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  • Probably the morally most safe career is being a stay at home mom.  I am very thankful that my husband is the one out there dealing with the world every day and that I don't need to.  I get to stay home and create a sanctuary from all the evil and craziness.  

    But even we SAHMs face countless temptations. And I carry a full share of sins and weaknesses within me.  There is no escaping that wherever I go.

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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #27 on: November 03, 2018, 11:14:52 AM »
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  • Any IT infrastructure behind the internet materially contributes to pornography. Material complicity isn't always a sin, though.

    No it doesn't.
    My web server (and any network hardware from my fiber internet connection to the server itself) hosts several websites, all of which are perfectly acceptable for Catholics. No porn allowed on my web server, nor do I forward any traffic to porn sites.

    As for the actual cables, network switches, and other networking equipment from my house outward, the same could be said of telephones (ever heard of phone sex?) and no one would even begin to suggest that telephones are a moral problem.

    The printing press sure got used for lots of good and lots of evil.
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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #28 on: November 03, 2018, 11:20:40 AM »
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  • Besides the fact that IT is one of the most safe careers for Catholics, it's relatively accessible (without incurring 100K+ of student loan debt), it's usually a family-friendly career (not a lot of out-of-state travel like sales, or days/weeks/months away from home like truck driving or the military). It's also extremely safe. How many wives of IT men get a horrible phone call or knock on the door informing them their husband was maimed or killed on the job? Anything involving car travel is *extremely* risky, much more so than air travel. And military, police and firefighters die all the time. Construction involves a lot of powerful, dangerous equipment. Even factory/manufacturing jobs involve a lot of very heavy, very dangerous machinery.

    What do IT guys get? Carpal tunnel or maybe obesity. But that's really nitpicking, because those are things one would suffer from even if they didn't work (say, if they won the lottery and retired at 25). In other words, the risks and "first world problems" of rich people.

    But it should also be pointed out (and Ladislaus touched on this point) that IT is also a very high-paying career. Enough to accommodate the Trad men who want a career that can earn two incomes at once.

    You know how most American households earn about $70K to $80K a year to make a living? And that is with TWO jobs, the husband and the wife? Guess what? Trads don't get some kind of "get out of jail free" card just because they want their wife to stay home, or because they want to have an above-average number of children (which, today, means "more than 2").

    In general, Trads have almost the exact same suite of challenges, temptations, and problems experienced by any worldling chosen at random off the street. What does going to a Tridentine Mass for 1 hour every Sunday really do to exempt one from the problems of the present age?

    It's absolutely true that virtually all families need that $70-$80K to get by (with a few exceptions). So how do you earn good enough money to do that with only one job? There aren't many options. Plumbing isn't going to get you there, unless you go into business for yourself. Ditto for many other "trades".

    Unless your parents leave you some land or really help you out ("here's a house, a car, some land, a nest egg...") it's going to be very hard to support a large family on $35K a year.

    You need enough money for food, shelter, utilities, clothing, education (sure can't just send em off to public school!), health care, at least one vehicle (and it won't be a so-called "smart car" 2-seater) and gas for that car (large vehicles take more), insurance for house/car, property taxes, maintenance (house/car/property), etc.

    Health care is a big one. It's one of the largest items in most budgets. You can't just pay cash or hope for the best. Just one trip to the hospital could RUIN a person's finances. As in, you have a good credit score and $50K in the bank, you wake up one day with a pain in your side, and next week your whole savings are gone and you're broke and behind on your bills. Health care is priced in super-money that most people don't have. It's like a bunch of neighborhood kids playing "economy" and trading pennies for sticks, pretty rocks, leaves, etc. and one of the kids deciding to save up to buy a car. It's not going to happen with pennies -- it's an order of magnitude higher. Cars are priced a world above kids' money.

    Likewise, people earn dollars; they might have $100 saved this month, another $150 saved the next month. But procedures in the hospital are priced in TENS OF THOUSANDS of dollars. Good luck saving up that kind of money with mere frugality. Health insurance is mandatory.
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    Re: Why IT is a safe career for Traditional Catholics?
    « Reply #29 on: November 03, 2018, 11:42:36 AM »
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  • My first reaction to this thread was that no profession is "safe".  If you are working "in the world" a Catholic is never "safe".  There may be some professions that shield you better than others, but don't fool yourselves into thinking any are 100% safe.
    Who said anything about absolutely or 100% safe? It goes without saying that anything involving human beings is going to carry a certain amount of risk.

    Straw man argument.

    And for what it's worth, it's not just computers/IT but pretty much any technology, engineering or math field that enjoys this privilege. I'd say "STEM" but that includes science, and you can't have a career in science without being pro-evolution.
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