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Offline 2Vermont

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Various Croix Accounts
« on: June 10, 2020, 06:00:42 AM »
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    • Hey 1911, or is it Samson Option, or is it Crawdad, or is it.....?

    On a downvote rampage all last night/early this morning I see.... don't you have anything better to do with yourself?

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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #1 on: June 10, 2020, 11:48:12 AM »
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    • Wouldn't it be great if new members were prohibited from down votes for 6 months?
    This would give them time to read past posts and decide if they really want to belong here.
    It would also discourage trolls.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #2 on: June 10, 2020, 12:16:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on June 10, 2020, 11:48:12 AM
    Wouldn't it be great if new members were prohibited from down votes for 6 months?
    This would give them time to read past posts and decide if they really want to belong here.
    It would also discourage trolls.

    Great idea, but frankly I think the whole up/down vote thing shouldn’t even be attached to a name. In other words Matthew should just make the votes only by the individual post and not an accuмulation by a member.

    I realize that this Croix fellow has very serious mental issues and I really shouldn’t have gone down to his level. As a Catholic I do forgive him for my love for God and I’ll try to refrain from attacking him any more no matter how many downvotes he gives me.
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #3 on: June 10, 2020, 12:59:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 10, 2020, 12:16:13 PM
    Great idea, but frankly I think the whole up/down vote thing shouldn’t even be attached to a name. In other words Matthew should just make the votes only by the individual post and not an accuмulation by a member.

    I realize that this Croix fellow has very serious mental issues and I really shouldn’t have gone down to his level. As a Catholic I do forgive him for my love for God and I’ll try to refrain from attacking him any more no matter how many downvotes he gives me.
    What do you mean by this? 
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #4 on: June 10, 2020, 01:01:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 10, 2020, 06:00:42 AM
    Hey 1911, or is it Samson Option, or is it Crawdad, or is it.....?

    On a downvote rampage all last night/early this morning I see.... don't you have anything better to do with yourself?

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    I’m fairly Certain that he’s not actually a Catholic. If he is validly baptized he doesn’t seem to profess the true faith. At the very best he’s a bad Catholic. We still need to forgive our enemies and instead of attacking him, I should have just let it be and prayed for him and his conversion. Mea culpa!!!
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #5 on: June 10, 2020, 01:03:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 10, 2020, 12:59:09 PM
    What do you mean by this?
    Not having the upvotes or downvotes under our names.
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #6 on: June 10, 2020, 01:14:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 10, 2020, 01:01:46 PM
    I’m fairly Certain that he’s not actually a Catholic.

    What are the heresies he expressed on the forum that make him a non-Catholic? As I understood it he was a sedi-privationist. He was not being hated for heresy, but for supposed misogyny and anti-semitism and anti-ketosis and down-voting those who disagreed with him. None of those things would make him a non-Catholic. Perhaps bad Catholic might be fair if one wanted to judge his character.

    To be honest, Croix a long time ago said something that I thought was questionable, but it is understandable in these times of uncertainty.
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #7 on: June 10, 2020, 01:22:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 10, 2020, 01:03:32 PM
    Not having the upvotes or downvotes under our names.
    Oh...that is a good idea. 
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #8 on: June 10, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on June 10, 2020, 11:48:12 AM
    Wouldn't it be great if new members were prohibited from down votes for 6 months?
    This would give them time to read past posts and decide if they really want to belong here.
    It would also discourage trolls.
    I think a probation period is a good idea as well, but I don't think it would need to be that long.  Trolls typically show their true colors in a relatively short period of time. 
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #9 on: June 10, 2020, 01:45:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on June 10, 2020, 01:14:15 PM
    What are the heresies he expressed on the forum that make him a non-Catholic? As I understood it he was a sedi-privationist. He was not being hated for heresy, but for supposed misogyny and anti-semitism and anti-ketosis and down-voting those who disagreed with him. None of those things would make him a non-Catholic. Perhaps bad Catholic might be fair if one wanted to judge his character.

    To be honest, Croix a long time ago said something that I thought was questionable, but it is understandable in these times of uncertainty.
    It’s a strong gut feeling. Anonymous people who act the way he does don’t deserve the presumption of being a Catholic. He needs prayers.
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #10 on: June 10, 2020, 01:56:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 10, 2020, 01:01:46 PM
    I’m fairly Certain that he’s not actually a Catholic. If he is validly baptized he doesn’t seem to profess the true faith. At the very best he’s a bad Catholic. We still need to forgive our enemies and instead of attacking him, I should have just let it be and prayed for him and his conversion. Mea culpa!!!
    I need to correct what I wrote:  “If he is validly baptized he doesn’t seem to profess the true faith.“

    I should have written: “ If he is validly baptized he doesn’t seem to be a person who professes the true faith”
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #11 on: June 10, 2020, 02:30:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 10, 2020, 01:45:15 PM
    It’s a strong gut feeling. Anonymous people who act the way he does don’t deserve the presumption of being a Catholic. He needs prayers.

    So there is nothing he said that is against the faith, it is just your "strong gut feeling" then because he said things that while not heresy you considered uncharitable? Then say he is uncharitable, but not a non-Catholic. The way you said it was very rash in my opinion. When you accuse someone who professed belief, of being a non-Catholic, you should have footnotes. He does not support abortion or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, like many supposed Catholic people do.

    As the monk said when he was called a fornicator, he said "I am guilty". When he was called a thief he said "I am guilty". When he was called a murderer he said "I am guilty." When he was called a heretic he said "No. I am not a heretic." Why did he admit to all those sins yet deny being a heretic? Because to be a heretic is not a normal sin, it severs one's connection to God in a way greater than other sins.

    So without proof you declared your fellow Christian a heretic, one of the worst possible sins, and cast him outside the Church. I know you are used to judging Pope Francis and the Bishops and cardinals and priests as heretics because they believe in Vatican II, but here you are judging another man who professes to believe as you believe to be a heretic. Rashly done. You are trying to kill his reputation, even denying his faith, for no good reason while claiming to be above him and being the charitable one yourself. Pray for him indeed.

    If you do have evidence for his heresy, please provide it and we can read it, if not, please be quiet. It would be fair to say he is breaking the forum rules by making new accounts instead of accepting his banishment, but that is not heresy, and he is not the first person to do it.
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #12 on: June 10, 2020, 02:51:24 PM »
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    • I remember the time I called one of our famous trad celebrities who posts on the forums a non-Catholic. I said that because he believed in evolution and at the time I thought that was a heresy. It seems I am always defending Croix de Fer. Oh well.

    Perhaps you could argue that he used to post videos from the Orthodox monk Brother Nathaniel and the Protestant pastor Dowell and approved of them and this was false ecuмenism, or something. Maybe?
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #13 on: June 10, 2020, 03:12:37 PM »
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    • "Look at Quo Vadis Domine, he is severely mentally ill and I am fairly certain he is not actually a Catholic."
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    Re: Various Croix Accounts
    « Reply #14 on: June 10, 2020, 03:31:34 PM »
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    • Matto, I think it's a bit different to speculate about whether a particular ANONYMOUS poster is a Catholic or not vs. accusing a concrete person of heresy.

    What Quo is doing is speculating, based on his behavior and some of his very worldly attitudes, that he may not be a Catholic.  He's shown himself to have imbibed some highly secular viewpoints.  He could in fact be a non-Catholic troll.  We'd never know it due to Anonymity, but to speculate that a certain account belongs to a non-Catholic troll doesn't require the same evidence as a concrete accusation of heresy against a real person.  For all we know, for example, he could in fact be the Jєωιѕн woman he pretended to be with one of his more recent accounts (Karen Yapper).  People pretend to be all kinds of things in the world of online Anonymity.  50-year-old men prevent to be teenage girls, and all manner of abominations.

    I often bait Croix out of hiding when he signs up for a new account by pushing various buttons of his that I know are certain to get a reaction.  This begins with speculation, but I must say that 95% of the time, I've been right.  When you don't have concrete evidence, sometimes the journey to truth necessarily begins with speculation.  You form a hypothesis or a theory and then proceed to test it out, almost like with the so-called scientific method.
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