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Offline Frank

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Download / Upload to and from brains
« on: July 06, 2021, 08:02:31 AM »
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    Re: Download / Upload to and from brains
    « Reply #1 on: July 06, 2021, 08:07:27 AM »
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  • Sorry, this is a red herring, or a waste of time. At least for Catholics who believe in the soul.

    You can't upload to "brains" like in the sci-fi movies because "who we are" and "our consciousness" is not just a brain with memories. There is a SOUL involved and there is no technology that can interface with the SOUL.

    No, humans will never be able to "upload their consciousness" and live forever in a machine body. Impossible.

    Human sentience can't be reduced to 1s and 0s. If it could, then YES, sentient AI would be possible at least someday. But it's not. Human sentience came about because God created us with an IMMATERIAL (and hence immortal) soul and hence the ability to abstract concepts from the physical world, to conceive immaterial ideas. Animals don't even have this, much less any computer or computer program.

    Kurzweil is full of shite.
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    Re: Download / Upload to and from brains
    « Reply #2 on: July 06, 2021, 09:48:02 AM »
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  • I recall Bsp Williamson debunking the whole idea of AI because you need to have the spiritual side in order for consciousness.
    Ghost in the Shell is interesting SF, but that is all it will ever be, fiction.
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    Re: Download / Upload to and from brains
    « Reply #3 on: July 06, 2021, 09:52:22 AM »
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  • Sorry, this is a red herring, or a waste of time. At least for Catholics who believe in the soul.

    You can't upload to "brains" like in the sci-fi movies because "who we are" and "our consciousness" is not just a brain with memories. There is a SOUL involved and there is no technology that can interface with the SOUL.

    No, humans will never be able to "upload their consciousness" and live forever in a machine body. Impossible.

    Human sentience can't be reduced to 1s and 0s. If it could, then YES, sentient AI would be possible at least someday. But it's not. Human sentience came about because God created us with an IMMATERIAL (and hence immortal) soul and hence the ability to abstract concepts from the physical world, to conceive immaterial ideas. Animals don't even have this, much less any computer or computer program.

    Kurzweil is full of shite.
    So maybe it would be a way to create golems?

    Come to think of it, there are a whole lot of people in the world who are exactly this way --- from all outward appearances, no consciences, no spirituality, I would go so far as to say, they almost seem to lack a soul itself.  Beings of pure hedonism, self-interest, and self-importance.

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    Re: Download / Upload to and from brains
    « Reply #4 on: July 06, 2021, 11:42:20 AM »
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  • Golems are animated by a host spirit, that being a demon. I do not know of any real cases though. With so many people now in one or other state of the various diabolical states, that is enough for anyone’s plate in these days of heightened spiritual warfare.
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    Re: Download / Upload to and from brains
    « Reply #5 on: July 06, 2021, 11:49:53 AM »
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  • Golems are animated by a host spirit, that being a demon. I do not know of any real cases though. With so many people now in one or other state of the various diabolical states, that is enough for anyone’s plate in these days of heightened spiritual warfare.

    This is pretty much where I believe we're going. Essentially creating material hosts for demons, since true AI is impossible.
    "The declared enemies of God and His Church, heretics and schismatics, must be criticized as much as possible, as long as truth is not denied. It is a work of charity to shout: ‘Here is the wolf!’ when it enters the flock or anywhere else." -- Saint Francis de Sales

    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Timothy 4:3]